Flying - Geos have a demesne effect that knocks people from the air, don't they?

Burrowing - Poison/Taint Wyrm.

Tackle - Stonewalls.

Who are you because you definately must not be a combatant. When I order my pooka to attack someone, I have to wait (while they are in the room for 8 seconds till it is control). I then have to catch them ON BALANCE OR EQUILIBRIUM, force that, and toadcurse. It isn't easy to pull off by a long shot. Furthermore, if you shield if I leave the room, etc... it fails.

This, however, is a boom/boom/boom instant death. You cannot stop it.

But that required them to be on balance, so it's perfectly fine, of course. If Narsrim does it, it's ok.

Thanks for pointing out obvious factors that have nothing to do with the fact that if you fly it CANCELS chasm (even if you get knocked back down).

Oh, that does remind me. What did you say the counter to that was Narsrim, oh yes, shield. While that instant kill required one person, this required three and perfect timing. And yes, I consider toadcurse, a instant kill, because it completely takes you out of a fight and makes you extremely vulnerable to death.

That's nice. It however cannot be performed instantly and there are ways to stop it.

Hey Sylphas, Kashim, Guido - this isn't the moron section. It's the section for fighters, and everything you're saying is saturated with crap.

Edit- Daevos, this crucify thing hardly takes 'perfect timing'. You have about a 10 second window to get in the trample and the sacrifice, if you include the stun and the writhe time.

That looks pretty instant to me, and much faster than crucify/trample/sacrifice.

In case you missed it Daevos, I edited my above post ^.

What part did you miss that I had to

1. Get pooka control
2. Get the pooka out of the room with me
3. Enter the room while you were not shield
4. Order you to cannibalize
5. Toad curse
6. Chase you like crazy because you cannot exit a room when there are icewalls

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Does anything in that add up to it happened instantly as in under 3-5 seconds? No, the pooka alone took 8. I had to catch you off balance. I then had to chase you around to kill you.

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But anyhoo, if we want to make cannibalize unforcable and make sacrifice only done by the person who crucifies, I'm game.

That's not an argument, that's an ad hominem attack. Are you TRYING to lose this argument?

Ok, lets make Inquisition only possible by the person who used Heretic and Infidel on you too.

Edit: And yes, I have had it done to me.

Hell no. But one person alone can pull that off. And it has not been changed as far as I know. You can't compare it to dying to a team.


No you don't. Unless pooka is special, it works on a timer set when it's summoned. If you're lucky, it can attack almost immidiately after you order it to kill.

And they're gonna be on balance because you're just going to wander in and order;toadcurse. Hell you can have it triggered. Now, if pooka isn't randomized (I know demon is not) you can have it attack yourself, time it and go in a second before it hits.

And after all, it was used that way wasn't it?

Your shield answer can be applied to crucify as well. I doubt it goes through shield?

You know, I'd be totally fine with that.

Sylphas - wrong section.

Actually, I agree with everything Amaru's been saying. He's perfectly correct.

I just argue with him because he's an insufferable prick with a critically inflated ego who's got his head so far up his ass it is a wonder that he doesn't choke to death on all the crap spewing forth from his every orifice.

You're the one who compared it to dying to a team. And this is about whether it should be or should not be, not about which similar abilities exist.

Actually we can run down the list, and remove all perceived imbalanced instant kill combinations, like Shieldstun/Trueheal/Soulless, Hangman/Trueheal/Soulless, and lets not forget the waiting to be used Trample/Trueheal/Soulless.

Don't forget kether from two mugwumps on a dreamweaver, and let's not forget two people amissioing for wrack with a demon shackling!

If the person was shielded, then they can't do it, if you having to catch someone on balance/eq to cannibalize/toadcurse is a valid excuse that it isn't a cheap tactic, then catching someone unshielded must be a valid counter as well. I'm not agreeing that instant crucify/trample/sacrifice should be allowed, but your counter-argument using cannibalize/toadcurse doesn't hold water.

Wrong section? You're the one who posted it here, and the only point you've yet made is that you shouldn't die to a team of three people, and then starting calling everyone who disagrees with you a moron and, if you can at all get away with it, a non-combatant who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's not going to work. Make a point, stick to it. You just look stupid when you pull crap like this.