Mag discovers instakill?

by Amaru

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Terenas2005-08-30 00:09:45
I find it highly ironic Narsrim and Amaru are talking about cheap ways to instantly kill people, when one is the master of Cannibalize/Toadcurse, and the other Shieldstun/Trueheal/Soulless or Hangmana/Trueheal/Soulless like crazy.
Unknown2005-08-30 00:11:01
QUOTE(Amaru @ Aug 30 2005, 02:04 AM)
You're the one who compared it to dying to a team.  blink.gif  And this is about whether it should be or should not be, not about which similar abilities exist.
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No, I brought it up because you're complaining that you just shouldn't die to a team and THREE people can make it so you cannot run and live, while there are combinations that allow ONE person to do that.

So, now, where is the line in your opinion?
Should 5 people have a sure way to kill you? 10? No army should be able to kill you?
Narsrim2005-08-30 00:12:16
QUOTE(terenas @ Aug 29 2005, 08:09 PM)
I find it highly ironic Narsrim and Amaru are talking about cheap ways to instantly kill people, when one is the master of Cannibalize/Toadcurse, and the other Shieldstun/Trueheal/Soulless or Hangmana/Trueheal/Soulless like crazy.
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And didn't I just post that I felt it would be fine to make cannibalize unforcable? And when was the last time I actually use cannibalize/toadcurse? I think at tops, I've hit Daevos with it 2-3 times and may one or two other people.

Someone has become very bitter lately.
Corr2005-08-30 00:20:52
QUOTE(Amaru @ Aug 29 2005, 11:28 PM)
Introduction

You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
4148h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p kp-
Amongst quiet laboratories.
You see exits leading up and down.

Here it comes...
4148h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p kp-
Nokraenom begins to chant in a deep and baleful voice, and an iron cross rises
up from the ground before you. Vicious spikes slam into your flesh and nail you
to the cross. You scream in pain and agony as blood is splattered in all
directions.

3117h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p kp-
CRUCIFIED!
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3117h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
A merian bravo mutters and traces a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before him.
3117h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
Sparkling water splashes up over your body, healing your wounds.
3327h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
Daevos whips a hellish night mare into a fury, bucking and racing dangerously
in a circle, trampling the ground in a frenzy.
A hellish night mare breaks your left leg.
A hellish night mare crushes your right leg.
A hellish night mare pulverizes your left arm.
A hellish night mare smashes your right arm.

2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-apply mending to legs
Narsrim takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his legs.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Nokraenom shivers particularly intensely.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.

2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
Nokraenom takes a drink from a bloodstone vial.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You are no longer stunned.
apply mending to legs

2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
writhe
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You are impaled, which makes movement impossible.
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You must regain equilibrium first.
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Your crucified state makes that impossible.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p xkp-
You begin to writhe furiously to escape from the iron cross.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p kp-
You are impaled, which makes movement impossible.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p kp-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p ekp-apply mending to legs
You are impaled, which makes movement impossible.
2938h, 2850m, 3525e, 10p ekp-

Alger looms over you and plunges his hands into your chest, ripping out your
heart. As the last drops of your life trickle away, you watch helplessly as he
offers up the bloody organ to the Demon Lords of Nil, and then laughs
ecstatically as monstrous dark shadows wrap around him.
You have been slain by Alger.
Variables reset.
Active mode.
The corpse of a pooka falls out of your inventory.
The corpse of a banshee falls out of your inventory.
The corpse of an enormous gorgog falls out of your inventory.
The corpse of the crone falls out of your inventory.
The corpse of Aloldyne Blontine falls out of your inventory.
The corpse of a hideous archdemon falls out of your inventory.
As your soul leaves your body, the elixir vitae courses through your spirit and
suddenly bursts in a bright light, forming a new body around your soul.
4200h, 2850m, 3525e, 0p ex-
Balance police please? A 3 person unavoidable instakill?

Surely that's a bug? Only the person who crucified should be able to sacrifice, come on...
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Now, I'm not claiming to know much about combat, however you appear to be leaving something out of the "instakill" which involves you writhing for something before the event happens.

Could you not have used the Restore skill instead of trying to apply mending to just one leg?
Sylphas2005-08-30 00:23:31
Um... four limb restore is about a 30 second recovery. It takes FOREVER. Trust me, I went without a mending vial for a few days, it blows. If you ever do it in combat, you WILL die, to damn near anyone.
Yrael2005-08-30 00:25:39
Four seconds.
Jack2005-08-30 00:26:52
You can't restore while crucified, though, can you?
Corr2005-08-30 00:26:55
Also, I think I have seen some situations where you have two warriors using shieldstun and the third killing them without any possiblity of stopping that.

Equlirbrium only stops you from attacking back not sipping health and healing .

And from the looks of it, you need atleast 2 or 3 broken limbs to pull off sacrifice otherwise he just would have used that poision that breaks arms.
Yrael2005-08-30 00:27:29
You can, Jack.
Yrael2005-08-30 00:28:02
You need all limbs broken for sacrifice.
Raezon2005-08-30 00:28:51
Just a little sidenote... IRE combat will never be balanced for group combat. It's literally impossible to consider the nuances of every possible combination of combatants. This is something that has been stressed in every IRE mud. Yes, on a general basis, if you have Three trans, semi-intelligent people hitting you, you're probably going to die. Whether you die to vivi-cripple or trample/vivi or someone webbing you constantly while someone cleaves... it doesn't matter. You're going to die. Thus, the only arguement available would be if you feel you wouldn't have died to those three people.
Jack2005-08-30 00:29:57
QUOTE(Yrael @ Aug 30 2005, 12:27 AM)
You can, Jack.
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Then it's not unavoidable. kiss.gif
Shamarah2005-08-30 00:29:58
QUOTE(Raezon @ Aug 29 2005, 08:28 PM)
Just a little sidenote... IRE combat will never be balanced for group combat. It's literally impossible to consider the nuances of every possible combination of combatants. This is something that has been stressed in every IRE mud. Yes, on a general basis, if you have Three trans, semi-intelligent people hitting you, you're probably going to die. Whether you die to vivi-cripple or trample/vivi or someone webbing you constantly while someone cleaves... it doesn't matter. You're going to die. Thus, the only arguement available would be if you feel you wouldn't have died to those three people.
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The objection here is that it's completely impossible to escape from. When you get attacked by three people normally, you're often able to run away before you die. Not so in this case.

EDIT: Jack, if it's done fast enough, it could be done before the stun ends. Plus, even if you do get a restore off, the balance from restore plus the writhe time (you have to have balance to writhe) is more than enough time to be trampled again.
Corr2005-08-30 00:31:10
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Corr2005-08-30 00:32:17
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 30 2005, 12:29 AM)

EDIT: Jack, if it's done fast enough, it could be done before the stun ends.  Plus, even if you do get a restore off, the balance from restore plus the writhe time (you have to have balance to writhe) is more than enough time to be trampled again.
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He was able to writhe while stunned in that log.
Unknown2005-08-30 00:33:21
I have yet one question. Why didn't you trueheal Amaru?
I thought you can trueheal under any circumstances.
Shamarah2005-08-30 00:33:38
QUOTE(Corr @ Aug 29 2005, 08:32 PM)
He was able to writhe while stunned in that log.
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Look again - see the first line of writhe anywhere? He had already started writhing before the crucify began, and he was writhing out of web or hangedman or something, not the crucify. You can't start writhing out of something before it's been used!

Crucify's writhe message is different anyway.
Jack2005-08-30 00:34:03
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 30 2005, 12:29 AM)
EDIT: Jack, if it's done fast enough, it could be done before the stun ends.  Plus, even if you do get a restore off, the balance from restore plus the writhe time (you have to have balance to writhe) is more than enough time to be trampled again.
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Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the balance time on trample insanely long?

Regardless of specifics, I still hold that the sacrificer should have to be the crucifier, power feats should not be forceable and trueheal should not give balance/eq back, thus solving all three problems in one fell swoop. wink.gif
Narsrim2005-08-30 00:34:45
QUOTE(Raezon @ Aug 29 2005, 08:28 PM)
Just a little sidenote... IRE combat will never be balanced for group combat. It's literally impossible to consider the nuances of every possible combination of combatants. This is something that has been stressed in every IRE mud. Yes, on a general basis, if you have Three trans, semi-intelligent people hitting you, you're probably going to die. Whether you die to vivi-cripple or trample/vivi or someone webbing you constantly while someone cleaves... it doesn't matter. You're going to die. Thus, the only arguement available would be if you feel you wouldn't have died to those three people.
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Care to explain why vivi-cripple was removed then?

I was always under the impression it was removed because a decent combatant has methods available (such as walking, hermit, tumble, etc) to leave a room so at the very least, there is a slight chance they could escape even from more than 3 people. There is no chance you could escape from vivi-cripple against people who were half competent, thus it was removed.
Shamarah2005-08-30 00:35:13
QUOTE(Jack @ Aug 29 2005, 08:34 PM)
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the balance time on trample insanely long?


It is, but I bet it's shorter than the equilibrium time from restore with four limbs broken (which is LOOOONG) PLUS the writhe time from crucify.

QUOTE(Jack @ Aug 29 2005, 08:34 PM)
Regardless of specifics, I still hold that the sacrificer should have to be the crucifier, power feats should not be forceable and trueheal should not give balance/eq back, thus solving all three problems in one fell swoop.  wink.gif
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