While I don't disagree with your rationale, you need to have reality-check cookie with the stfu cookie. It ain't gonna happen.

Can't beat them join them attitude getting to you Narsrim?

I'm just pragmatic.

No, I wasn't telling Gwylifar to stop exerting IC influence over OOC channels. I had no qualms with it until he started saying things like, "If I was still here, I'd do this or that to the Hunters.." This is what pissed me off, if he chose to go dormant, chose to not be an influence IC, then why is he saying what he would do or what when he hasn't even logged on for how many days now? If he has a concern regarding the guild, then he should log on and do something about it, not sit back and say he would have done this or that.

In case you haven't noticed Singollo, I only directed my original comment in response to Gwylifar. I hadn't even bothered to respond to any of the rants you had done until you replied to me first.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure why Gwylifar even trolls these forums, or why the Admin continue to allow him to do so. He's quit the game, and yet he still insists on posting here and talking in the IRC chatroom like his opinion matters. It doesn't.

Gwyl, despite your self-aggrandizing crusade as the "Sin Eater", you are doing nothing more than coming here to bemoan your personal dissatisfaction with Lusternia and its great administration, while countless other players continue to play and enjoy it. We appreciate all the hard work the Admin is doing, and while you say that you "are free to say things that others can't" (as you said to me in IRC), the fact is that people who play still can and do say similar things. Nobody is "afraid" of disagreeing with the Admin, which you can see even by looking at this thread (or hell, any other thread for that matter). You are not a crusader for the downtrodden and oppressed roleplayers, as you seem to think you are. You are simply whining incessantly about how things have taken a direction you don't appreciate.

Here's an idea: there are thousands of different games out there, so go pick another one to play, and stop subjecting us to your pointless drivel.

Someone stick a "Owned" Sign up here. I couldn't of said it any better Nok, I think its a common feeling that Gwylifar needs to go already. No one cares what you think, you said you were leaving. Please do it.

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Except that he's *right*, and instead of trying to debate his points, you just attack him for the fact that he isn't playing any more. That doesn't weaken what he is saying at all, things haven't changed that much since he departed. The only difference is that he is more bitter now than he was then, which results in him choosing stronger phrasing.

Sorry if this has been brought up before...but who says you can't have Hunting/Tracking or whatever and still be devoted to the Totem Spirits? It's just the skill Totems lets you harness their power..

He's as right to you as he is wrong to me, it is all a personal opinion.

Then feel free to either debate the points he raises, or let it go.

Don't attack him for not playing (this isn't to you, Terenas).

Edit: If it makes any of you feel better, I can copy/paste everything he's said and claim it as my own, just so that someone who is playing has said it.

You miss the point of my post. I could care less what his opinions are, be they "right" or "wrong" (from your point of view). The opinions themselves are irrelevant to what is wrong about Gwylifar's continued trolling of the forums.

What is wrong is that Gwylifar contribues nothing to the Lusternian community, other than poisoning the atmosphere of the forums with his virtiolic attacks against nearly everything that Estarra and the rest of the Administration do. Every time there is a complaint about RP and the Admin, Gwylifar is sure to chime in about his personal dissatisfaction with the RP atmosphere of Lusternia. Well, that's just too bad. Find a different game to play, stop making points that others can and do make, and leave, or start contributing something constructive and worthwhile to the Lusternian atmosphere and communtiy.

Some of you people take this forum waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

For Nokraenom's benefit:

Giving up Athletics for Hunting would be painful. But I don't think that's unreasonable. Most of the skill choices are between two really cool skillsets that you desperately would like to have both of. I think that's what something like this should be. So I don't think that's a counterargument.

But the real argument for is that it just makes more sense. Hunting isn't exactly an opposite of Athletics, but it's closer to that than it is an opposite to the various things warrior guilds have to trade in for it. One could make a lot of sense of the distinction between the disciplined, inward-focused, "perfect your body" approach of Athletics vs. the primal, outward-focused mysticism of the predator of Hunting. It's kind of similar to how we discussed a few months ago the idea of a heavy-armor knight type of Athletics vs. a quick-on-your-feet ranger type, as a few people wrote up proposals about, in fact. I don't see the similar choices offered choosing against Totems and the city skills as being either as interesting or as appropriate.

In addition, offering it as a choice against Athletics would have worked for all four warrior guilds. And incidentally, it would have avoided the problems discussed in this thread, though that's just gravy.

That said, I don't know what the skills in Hunting are well enough to be able to say if it might make some more devestating combos that way than it does as is, so maybe that's a game balance reason they couldn't do it that way that I don't know about.

(This doesn't 100% represent my ideas, but is about 97% close. There, now someone who is playing has said it.)

I may be wrong, but the unlike the Druids and wiccans of Glomdoring and Serenwilde the warrior guilds are not directly linked to the Great Spirits. ANd I am not trying to define your RP or anything but you are the defender of the peoples of said communes. The wiccans and druids are the servants of those spirits and the warriors are not. So to say your RP is dependant on the totems skill doesnt make sense to me.

Having both Hunting and Necro/Sacra/Moon would be retardedly powerful.

Personally, I never really enjoyed the Ebonguard's focus on spirituality. I understand they should be reverant of and serve Night and Crow, but they also put a very heavy emphasis on all of the more minor spirits.

I've never liked 'tribal' roleplay, though, so maybe it's just me.

You are slightly wrong. The warrior guilds had no past history, and as such, we had to create our own path... the path the Ebonguard chose was to follow the spirits... the totem spirits with Crow and Night above all. Warriors of Nature and its varied spirits.

Edit: As Guido said, it's not really for everyone. *shrug*

But I want an undead badger!

Also, an interesting question: If your tracking/ecology pet is dependant upon your city/commune/guild, what pets do rogues get?

Haha, now you swiftly shattered all warriors' delusions. They are just big thugs. Bodyguards.