Ecology

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Ceres2005-09-04 08:34:22
Kekeke.

Go Faeling, especially if fetish attacks on balance.
Sylphas2005-09-04 08:36:01
Why the hell would I mention Mugwump if they worked on balance?
Shiri2005-09-04 08:37:37
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 4 2005, 09:32 AM)
Mugwump will be truly scary unless they cap fetish speed.  The first time I hit Shiri with double dendroxin, I recovered in a bit over 1 second.

One thing no one seems to have mentioned is that entire skill works on ego, and you can burn it out.  Berserked fetish hits are 300 ego a pop, and smudges aren't much better.  Pathforge is 2k ego, and Deepbond is 1.5k.  A telepath could seriously make us hurt.
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Why are you counting pathforge and deepbond? Planar rift costs 1k mana, no one complains about that with Celestines attacking you... dry.gif
Unknown2005-09-04 08:43:18
QUOTE(Gorokan @ Sep 4 2005, 04:16 AM)
Not just Ecology, but a whole array of skills and abilities throughout Lusternia need balancing.

Gorokan.
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Oh, I agree then. Just going to take awhile to do it..
Geb2005-09-04 08:53:39
QUOTE(munsia @ Sep 4 2005, 08:55 AM)
Everything is fine  with the fetish... it takes 1 dose of poison per hit and narsrim shrugs off 1/3rd of all my poisons (hes trans resiliance)
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What you are not considering is that everyone does not have transcendent resilience. If Sylphas (as a furrikin) is recovering at a little bit over 1 second per use, then even a person with transcendent resilience can be messed over extremely quickly. Heck, runes at top speed are only at about a 2.6-second recovery. Taking into Consideration that the fetish can hit in line-of-sight and give 2 afflictions (even though some may shrug) for 1p, the fetish seems to be far superior to the active affliction abilities of runes, motes, and even telepathy.

I forgot to mention that the 50-power cost of making the fetish is inconsequential, since the thing lasts for 50 months. 50 power is a trivial amount of power to acquire via power quests, especially since the person will not have to make the expenditure for another real world 50 days.
Gregori2005-09-04 09:00:20
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 4 2005, 02:53 AM)
What you are not considering is that everyone does not have transcendent resilience. If Sylphas (as a furrikin) is recovering at a little bit over 1 second per use, then even a person with transcendent resilience can be messed over extremely quickly. Heck, runes at top speed are only at about a 2.6-second recovery. Taking into Consideration that the fetish can hit in line-of-sight and give 2 afflictions (even though some may shrug) for 1p, the fetish seems to be far superior to the active affliction abilities of runes, motes, and even telepathy.
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Faeling runes was about 1.5 seconds, which is about the same as Mugwump fetish using. Runists could also perform the same supersling as fetish can berserk. The only difference now is that you can shrug a venom, you couldn't shrug a rune. We also don't get all the venoms possible, we get a select few of them. Very good ones combined with our demesne, but no crotamine or anything like that.
Thorgal2005-09-04 09:10:12
Faeling runes were never, ever 1.5 second dude..none were ever faster than 2.5 seconds.

Aslaran fetish is about 1.5 second, mugwump fetish will be under 1 second.

Get a timestamp on your prompt or something, because either you're completely ignorant about the exact times, or you're lying to make it seem less powerful.
Geb2005-09-04 09:11:40
QUOTE(Gregori @ Sep 4 2005, 10:00 AM)
Faeling runes was about 1.5 seconds, which is about the same as Mugwump fetish using. Runists could also perform the same supersling as fetish can berserk. The only difference now is that you can shrug a venom, you couldn't shrug a rune. We also don't get all the venoms possible, we get a select few of them. Very good ones combined with our demesne, but no crotamine or anything like that.
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Faeling runes were capped out at 2.6 recovery. I know, because I tested them personally (since Geb is a changeling). Also, the attack is line of sight, not just the next room over. You can hit a person from 10 rooms away, if you can squint and see them. No, it is far better and faster than runes.

Bah, Thorgal ninja'd me on part of it.
Gregori2005-09-04 09:21:45
I was a Faeling Druid, and I could sling/supersling almost instantly. In fact in testing it when Faeling got level 3 balance I was around 1.5 seconds to 1.7 seconds depending on lag.

I haven't timed Mugwump speed yet on Fetish, but I haven't noticed a faster time than I had as a Faeling slinging runes.
Xenthos2005-09-04 09:25:40
QUOTE(Gregori @ Sep 4 2005, 05:21 AM)
I was a Faeling Druid, and I could sling/supersling almost instantly. In fact in testing it when Faeling got level 3 balance I was around 1.5 seconds to 1.7 seconds depending on lag.

I haven't timed Mugwump speed yet on Fetish, but I haven't noticed a faster time than I had as a Faeling slinging runes.
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QUOTE(Geb)
Faeling runes were capped out at 2.6 recovery. I know, because I tested them personally (since Geb is a changeling). Also, the attack is line of sight, not just the next room over. You can hit a person from 10 rooms away, if you can squint and see them. No, it is far better and faster than runes.


Hmm... I dunno, I guess I'll trust the person who spends more time looking into how skills work, especially when backed up by a second. Not having runes myself, I can't verify wink.gif
Thorgal2005-09-04 09:34:19
QUOTE(Gregori @ Sep 4 2005, 11:21 AM)
I was a Faeling Druid, and I could sling/supersling almost instantly. In fact in testing it when Faeling got level 3 balance I was around 1.5 seconds to 1.7 seconds depending on lag.

I haven't timed Mugwump speed yet on Fetish, but I haven't noticed a faster time than I had as a Faeling slinging runes.
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No dude, you never were around 1.5 seconds to 1.7 seconds, you never were and never will sling runes at a faster rate than 2.5 seconds.

To your second point, I tested aslaran fetish with Ary, and they were far under two seconds on equilibrium, mugwump fetish will be as fast as mugwump hexing, without the drawing.

Like I said, get a timestamp before posting assumptions.
Gregori2005-09-04 09:43:04
2377h, 3382m, 3784e, 10p, 10785en, 15780w exkdb- / 19:21:40:826
You sling a cen rune and a gyfu rune at Arilyon and they go flying off to the
south.
2377h, 3307m, 3784e, 8p, 10785en, 15770w ekdb- / 19:21:41:277
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
2377h, 3382m, 3784e, 8p, 10785en, 15776w exkdb- /19:21:43:490

2.213 seconds

You sling a cen rune and a gyfu rune at Arilyon and they go flying off to the
south.
2377h, 3207m, 3784e, 6p, 10785en, 15742w ekdb- / 19:21:48:698
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
2377h, 3207m, 3784e, 6p, 10785en, 15742w exkdb- / 19:21:50:510

1.812 seconds

As you can see.. I clearly wasn't capped at 2.6 seconds.
Soll2005-09-04 09:47:15
Caps on speed don't exist. smile.gif

( I'm told, by a very reliable source. )

( Plus, there's just so much proof to show there isn't. )

( Except for things with 100% set balances, eqs. But I can't think if there are any of those. Racial balance effects everything, and there's no point where it will stop effecting something because the balance is 'too short'. )
Geb2005-09-04 10:04:27
QUOTE(Gregori @ Sep 4 2005, 10:43 AM)
2377h, 3382m, 3784e, 10p, 10785en, 15780w exkdb- / 19:21:40:826
You sling a cen rune and a gyfu rune at Arilyon and they go flying off to the
south.
2377h, 3307m, 3784e, 8p, 10785en, 15770w ekdb- / 19:21:41:277
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
2377h, 3382m, 3784e, 8p, 10785en, 15776w exkdb- /19:21:43:490

2.213 seconds

You sling a cen rune and a gyfu rune at Arilyon and they go flying off to the
south.
2377h, 3207m, 3784e, 6p, 10785en, 15742w ekdb- / 19:21:48:698
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
2377h, 3207m, 3784e, 6p, 10785en, 15742w exkdb- / 19:21:50:510

1.812 seconds

As you can see.. I clearly wasn't capped at 2.6 seconds.
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Something is fishy, because I've played as a faeling for a good long time with runes and the speed always capped out at 2.6-second. When did you conduct this speed test of yours?
Gregori2005-09-04 10:07:02
These are logs from previous fights, I am still digging through old logs for my stop watch tests, but I can post log after log proving your speed cap theory wrong and my average faeling speed below 2 seconds.
Geb2005-09-04 10:10:55
When was this fight you you had. Is it something very recent, or something long ago?
Ceres2005-09-04 10:12:31
I wish the admin would make speed formulas public.
Gregori2005-09-04 10:13:08
Would have been June, since it is against Arilyon and I am a Faeling at the time.

EDIT:

Also I was a Faeling up until about a week maybe 2 ago and I only just quit runes. My rune speed has stayed the same the whole time.
Geb2005-09-04 10:33:11
I can't argue with the timing, if that timer is correct. It is nothing like I received conducting my tests over and over on different days during the time that the balance recoveries were not softened, and the faelings had just received their level 3 bonuses (Was before the other racial adjustments were made).

Still does not change the fact that having a line-of-sight attack, speed that can probably get faster than 1.5 equilibrium recovery as a mugwump, and only cost 1p to activate the double affliction attack makes it superior to runes by a long shot. Even going against a person with transcendent resilience, I would take the fetish over runes any day.
Gregori2005-09-04 10:37:27
Your bone fetish dips its fins in a vial.
Your bone fetish dips its fins in a vial.
You exert your will upon your bone fetish and order it to attack Tsuki
Your bone fetish leaps out of your hands and attacks Tsuki, cutting deeply with
a sharp fin, and attacks again in a frenzy, cutting deeply with a sharp fin,
then quickly returns to you.
Tsuki's eyes close suddenly as she falls asleep.
2986h, 4171m, 2923e, 9p, 13830en, 19755w lrx-: - 04:34:26:244

You have recovered equilibrium.
2986h, 4171m, 2923e, 9p, 13830en, 19755w elrx-: - 04:34:27:696

1.452 seconds.. slightly faster than my estimate of 1.5 seconds, but on the average you will probably find it sits around 1.7 seconds. Just like I said it would.