It costs much much more than 150 credits to switch from a warrior to a mage/druid class.

We forfeit damage to do this. So you are taking on poisons which you can heal before we possibly get eq?

Good luck curing two poisons in 1.5 seconds of mugwump eq if they share a balance.

The only use I found for my fetish yet is using Niricol over and over at a warrior directly in front of me, so that he might not be able to hit me. Though I prefer sitting some rooms away and just cudgel in once in a while.

How the hell do you heal against 2 poisons that are firing at less than 1.5 seconds? That is one herb balance for me.

I had a look.
The worst we can do is have a phlegmatic stack... and the other affliction can -always- be cured by a herb.

I have yet to see any real point to anything besides Niricol, Charybdon, maybe Ibululu or Dendroxin. We don't have Dulak or Mantakaya, and the poison afflictions range was never very good to start with.

Double Morphite for sleep, then stack it up with sap and all the other stuffs. I don't know how you can't see that Ecology is rediculously overpowered when combined with all the stuffs Druids already get.

ANYTHING with Sap is overpowered. It's getting Sap to stick that's the problem.

Without Sap, double morphite will do NOTHING to you. You'll wake up, and use insomnia, unless you're triggers take over 1.5 seconds to fire.

Double Morphite is decent, but don't forget the moment the demesne attacks them, they are awake. You are far better to sap, then double morphite so they can't cleanse as fast

Edit:: And again, you can shrug poisons with Resilience. Using the argument "not everyone has resilience" is a moot point as well, because everyone -can- have resilience.

ISTR an early post from Estarra saying that indeed they thought it'd be overpowered.

Why couldn't Astrology be just as overpowered?

So you unenemy them whilst you're stacking sleep.

Do all the demesne attacks wake you up? Or is it only some? I remember doing some research as an Achaean mage on what would disrupt someone being asleep so I could attempt to get them asleep and /keep/ them there whilst plague'ing them up and beheading.

Bleeding attacks don't tend to wake people. Like as a Sentinel you could delph someone, and pacify all but your badger and have him stack bleeding.

I know you can unenemy someone so the demesne doesn't hit. However there is really no point in that, as they will be awake faster than you can do anything anyways. If you sap, unenemy, spam morphite, you are far more likely to have it stick, as we can't just pick and choose which demesne effects to turn off.

Spores, Pollen, and Swarm will not wake them up.

But good luck getting them asleep without stun or sap. I suppose you could try to time it with a forest smudge, but they could just move or gust.

EDIT: Actually, forest stuns, but also wakes them up. So, hope for stun you can't time from hallucinations if they have bad curing?

Don't forget that Ecologists lose the ability to embed anything to add to demesne effects.

A Druid dreamweaver with timed demesne could generally get someone to sleep pretty easily anyway, using embedded narcolepsy motes and just a simple, quick slumber.

Be cause we are druids silly

Ok what are smudges ?
I have realy small experience in fighting with druids.

I make one from herbs, I burn it, 6 seconds later it hits every enemy in the room.

Gregori has shown that the fetish can get as fast as 1.04 on his test when used by a mugwump. His mean recovery was actually 1.3 seconds. Also, there are plenty of combinations that can easily be done with that fetish. Sap is only 8 power. That leaves you open to double afflict with the fetish twice or 3 times considering possible power recovery.

With a correctly timed demesne, you could have your effects hit right before you sap the person. Next you unenemy and then sap your target. You then proceed to use the fetish to try to strip the kafe defense (remember that the average recovery on this thing is 1.3 seconds as a mugwump). You then finish the sequence with webbing the person. If the demesne is timed correctly (not impossible or even very hard to do), the person is paralyzed, has at least one pennyroyal cured affliction, bleeding, asleep with kafe stripped, and sapped. Instead of trying to sleep the person, you could try to shrivel the arms of the person, while he or she is sapped (Fetish speed being good for the attempt).

I think you guys underestimate what a great boon the fetish is. It allows the druid to stay far out of harms way while giving afflictions. It also allows some druids to give double hidden afflictions for one power at a speed that is dizzying.

The fetish alone rivals the entire Rune skill-set in offensive capabilities. Yes you can embed runes in a demesne room, but that is easily lost via the efforts of an enemy mage/druid. The fetish can not be lost, it can be used from extreme ranges, and it can be used at extreme speeds. Yes it has costs associated with it, but runes do too. A high initial power expenditure is required to make a fully realized fetish, but that power cost is trivial considering its long durability. Again, I must state, the fetish alone rivals the entire Rune skill-set in offensive capabilities.

Yeah... line-of-sight doublestab, ignores rebounding, at an equilibrium recovery of 1 second, do you people seriously try to argue that fetish is just a "mediocre", or "so-so" ability?