Firstly i was mentioning the rl wiccan beliefs.
Secondly where is your evidence for sun loving night? (brennan is summer king)
Thirdly Night is to day as Moon is To Sun
Fourthly erm something

Am I the only one noting inconsistencies here? Meh.

lol i was commenting on the first part. everyones saying oh we don't follow wiccan traditions but does anyone know what they are?
The Celebration of each moon as an individual aspect. a period of traineeship before admittance into a system for advancement (yes that nice lil thing we have now is similar to normal wiccan advancement. ie completing requirements, tasks, learning, etc)

Why are you dicussing OOC beliefs in this forum? If you're going to talk about OOC wiccan traditions and ignore the IC wiccan traditions, go talk on the Real World forum

Lusternia != Real Life

Lusternia is not the real world and does not have to follow the paths set down by reality.

you quoted it but I don't think you read it, i'm sure everyone who reads the words wiccan archetype when they choose their guild in Lusternia compares it too traditional wiccan beliefs (I did) but the Moondancers don't usually play to these. When I raised this question to the other Moondancers as a novice (which got me pointed to help insanity alot )I was told we try not to limit ourselves by those traditions. Something I like very much, i know i wouldn't want to play a guild that was based strictly on the wiccan religion, I would feel like I was demeaning a culture and because of the simple fact It wouldn't be the Moondancers as we know them.

*GROANS*
i hate skimmers

ok how we got here
I comment that the third wiccan coven would make sense under sun
I mention that this is inline with trad beliefs
Eyod starts the whole the ic covens don't follow the trads
We end up here with me trying to point out that yes we do to some extent.

also the moon skills follow the general beliefs
The phase dances and their affects
Drawing down the moon to gain her power and insight
etc

But you're wrong

EDIT: To quote you:



And we and the Night coven are linked with the sky, so we must be the same as the Aeromancers -sagenod-



Why does it matter what the traditional wiccan beliefs are? Your comment makes no sense, as it is trying to apply OOC beliefs to an IC situation.

Firstly, RL wiccan beliefs =! Lusternian.

Actually, it's all IC. And if anyone pays attention to the day/night messages, you would realize, Father Sun is chasing Mother Night. However, I've been yelled at enough times to learn things IC, so I've started to do that.

Thirdly - You're just wrong. I don't know how long you've been here, or involved in Lusternian wiccanry, but even I know Sun covets Night.

lol this is getting lame. hands up if you know more about wiccan beliefs than whats in "the craft", the rede and the rune

lol this is lame. hands up if you know more about IC wiccan beliefs than what you learned in real life

Saran, your biggest mistake here is this.

Yes, there are some similarities between common day wicca and fae-wicca of Lusternia. Some similarities. Yes, a large portion of the Moon skillset does involve the phases of the Moon and oft correlates with wiccan beliefs.

But you know what? Wiccans are rarely original. Moon-worship, and the various stages and the power they're believed to be associated goes back beyond this neo-pagan BS they call Wicca nowadays, far, far back.

So, please, don't try to flips pancakes with an ice cream scoop.

Actually, I know quite a bit. A lot of my friends are wiccans, and as much as I abhor this contemporary BS they're flaunting, you do learn and pick things up.

As I believe Shorlen said - lol this is getting lame. hands up if you know more about lusternian wiccan beliefs than what you learned in real life.

two things, i refered to night and moon as celestial spirits not sky spirits
also i'm not actually saying that we should be like rl wiccans, just that most of the ic wiccan stuff seems based upon it


Erm from memory its the sun chases the night right? meh thats easy the moon can be seen in the day sometimes. perhaps sun is chasing away that which harms his sister or love? also i'm seriously drawing a blank on why you say sun covets night. i've never seen anything to make me think that

The sky lightens and stars fade as Father Sun approaches the horizon in his neverending quest to capture Mother Night.

nah, they just want to get kinky.

Given my character is ICly devoting himself to Sun, and is trying to prod what he can out of Lisaera, I imagine I know at least a little bit. Let me explain.

Night is a very, very beautiful woman. Night represents physical beauty - of all the Great Spirits, none could be considered more beautiful than Her. To drag the point out, her beauty is unrivaled.

Father Sun is a vainglorious, prideful, covetous creation. Mother Night is one of the older Great Spirits, while Father Sun is one of the youngest. But it doesn't bother him. He wants that which is beautiful. He wants that which he can't have.

At least, this is what I've gathered so far, from what little I've gotten.

may i re-direct everyone to where this started. not as a this should be this way because its what i believe ooc thread.

but my point originally was that the two wiccan guilds are bonded with apparently celestial spirit, spirits that live beyond the reach of mortal kind in lusternia.
So why is there a guild bonded to a terrestrial spirit? give me a good reasonable answer.

and unfair *winge* why didn't you share this knowledge i would like to find out more about the spirits and the closest i get is the chants. and i don't like bothering the gods when i have a question thats not major

Wanting to expand your character's knowledge is a perfectly good reason for your character to bother the gods. Just be respectful. Very respectful. Especially with Lady Lisaera - she's scary

i would like to do that but it's not fun, i tried talking of sun and the like, then got shot down because i haven't communed with him.

it'd be nice to have reflections of the spirits who aren't based in a commune so we can rp this stuff

Because as a commune thery were more down-to-earth and solid than the other two. Not in the sense that they were 'closer to nature' or anything. There was a large population of tae'dae and furrikin within the Ackleberry. Tae'dae at least, are known for their reasonable amounts of contemplation, lending to their air of 'stupidity' which may in fact be simply deep thought and long reasoning. The animal spirit which they follow is Brother Bear, a solid and down-to-earth being from all reasonable respects. They also chose to seperate themselves from the world in order to preserve the commune from the harm of the Taint. Rather than staying to fight it out or get themselves tainted. All good, solid, terrestiralisque things to do. Not like Moon or Night people. They are Lake people.