Sylphas2005-09-08 03:54:07
I asked, he couldn't get it.
Shiri2005-09-08 04:07:15
QUOTE(Gorokan @ Sep 8 2005, 04:51 AM)
Would have been nice to see this from Nejii's point of view.
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Sorry. Nexus actually let me scroll back to BEFORE the spar started, but the section I was allowed to highlight (which I need to copy paste) only started at like half way. It's annoying as hell when it happens, but it does, and it means I can't log reliably.
Narsrim2005-09-08 05:37:44
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Sep 7 2005, 08:32 PM)
Your entire offense revolves around Sap, that is why you have it.. that's just how your archetype works, it's no less powerful than any other archetype. A druid not using sap is like a warrior not using weapons, you can beat a lot of people without using sap, but against capable fighters, you'll have to use your main strategy, sap.
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Then sap shouldn't cost 8p if it is their only option.
Furthermore, I question what you consider capable. A level 45 warrior with surge can tank cudgel almost indefinately if they are sipping health and eating sparkleberry with chervil/clotting. Given the demesne is not very hindering (and useless with protection scrolls), sap is the ONLY option. On the flip side, warriors, wiccans, mages, etc. have several options that do not require excessive amount of power.
Sap is good, I agree; however, sap is also easily handled if you don't panic. With tumble, you can be constantly on the move while healing in the process.
Narsrim2005-09-08 05:48:04
QUOTE(Gregori @ Sep 7 2005, 09:29 PM)
There are all sorts of new tactics available to druids now. Despite Narsrim's theory that Morphite is useless because of Metawake/Insomnia, he fails to realise that I want you to use metawake and insomnia in my demesne. I want your mana draining as fast as possible; clot, focus body, focus mind, put up insomnia, use metawake. Burn that mana away! Once you have done that, I don't need sap.
Not to mention that whoring morphite, may not do much as just itself, but it does keep them hitting you when they can't stay awake.
I would also say our main offense revolves around bleeding damage, not sap. Which is why we want to burn out your mana, so you can't clot, and which is why we have attacks that stack bleeding damage so heavily.
Not to mention that whoring morphite, may not do much as just itself, but it does keep them hitting you when they can't stay awake.
I would also say our main offense revolves around bleeding damage, not sap. Which is why we want to burn out your mana, so you can't clot, and which is why we have attacks that stack bleeding damage so heavily.
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The problem with using sleep is that your demesne wakes the target up. Any damage attack such as lightning, cudgel, nature curse, familiar attacking, etc. will.
Plus, it is expensive to use poisons...
Sylphas2005-09-08 05:58:12
Yeah, tell me about it. Especially when they get used up in the arena. I emptied a vial of charybdon well before the spar ended.
Ceres2005-09-08 06:44:40
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 8 2005, 05:37 AM)
Then sap shouldn't cost 8p if it is their only option.
Hi. I'm a Celestine.
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 8 2005, 05:37 AM)
Furthermore, I question what you consider capable. A level 45 warrior with surge can tank cudgel almost indefinately if they are sipping health and eating sparkleberry with chervil/clotting. Given the demesne is not very hindering (and useless with protection scrolls), sap is the ONLY option. On the flip side, warriors, wiccans, mages, etc. have several options that do not require excessive amount of power.
Dissolve makes protection scrolls useless.
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 8 2005, 05:37 AM)
Sap is good, I agree; however, sap is also easily handled if you don't panic. With tumble, you can be constantly on the move while healing in the process.
Let me dig up a quote from you on the subject.
Sylphas2005-09-08 08:26:27
Dissolve doesn't make protection useless, since we have to be in the room to dissolve. It hinders our ranged abilities. I've never seriously fought someone solo using it, however, so I can't say just how much.
Ceres2005-09-08 15:20:47
Pop into the room, dissolve, pop out.
It's not challenging.
It's not challenging.
Ashteru2005-09-08 15:35:19
QUOTE(Ceres @ Sep 8 2005, 03:20 PM)
Pop into the room, dissolve, pop out.
It's not challenging.
It's not challenging.
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Have you ever been Druid?
Xavius2005-09-08 17:21:14
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Sep 8 2005, 10:35 AM)
Have you ever been Druid?
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Ashteru, hush. Don't give the guild hopper any ideas.
Sylphas2005-09-08 17:28:10
Yeah, poor Blacktalon.
Ceres2005-09-08 17:33:26
Yes, I currently have a Hartstone alt.
What's your point?
What's your point?
Ashteru2005-09-08 17:49:59
So, if your alt isn't called Munsia, or Sylphas, or Gregori, then I don't see you fighting. So, how could you possibly know how fighting as a Druid is?
Ceres2005-09-08 17:51:12
You're on every second of every day, watching every room that every druid is in?
Ashteru2005-09-08 17:51:48
QUOTE(Ceres @ Sep 8 2005, 05:51 PM)
You're on every second of every day, watching every room that every druid is in?
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Exactly.
Ceres2005-09-08 17:53:10
Funny.
My points are:
1. Dissolve is very quick.
2. Protection is very slow.
3. It is impossible to chase (and catch) a smart druid through their demesne.
My points are:
1. Dissolve is very quick.
2. Protection is very slow.
3. It is impossible to chase (and catch) a smart druid through their demesne.
Sylphas2005-09-08 17:54:35
It is just as possible as it is outside their demesne.
Thorgal2005-09-08 17:58:29
No heh, it isn't.
* Briar walls.
* Treebane.
* Treelife.
* Pathtwist.
* Flow.
* Swarm paralysis.
* Hallucinations and dementia.
* Demesne centre.
All those together make it impossible catching any capable druid when he's running from you.
* Briar walls.
* Treebane.
* Treelife.
* Pathtwist.
* Flow.
* Swarm paralysis.
* Hallucinations and dementia.
* Demesne centre.
All those together make it impossible catching any capable druid when he's running from you.
Ashteru2005-09-08 17:59:20
QUOTE(Ceres @ Sep 8 2005, 05:53 PM)
My points are:
1. Dissolve is very quick. Aye, but it takes balance away, and usually you have to find the one that entered your demesne to do it. This means that you have to flow there too, and it IS a lot more complicated to survive then. Just one Haymaker on a Druid who flows in and dissolves is deadly.
2. Protection is very slow. Nothing hinders you to just leave the demesne to put it back up again, only the Druid himself. And that won't work if several people with protection enter your demesne.
3. It is impossible to chase (and catch) a smart druid through their demesne.
Not true. It's even easy to hinder him. Just put him off equi or balance to hinder forestcast center, and it usually is this one little Moment the Druid is mortally wounded or killed.
1. Dissolve is very quick. Aye, but it takes balance away, and usually you have to find the one that entered your demesne to do it. This means that you have to flow there too, and it IS a lot more complicated to survive then. Just one Haymaker on a Druid who flows in and dissolves is deadly.
2. Protection is very slow. Nothing hinders you to just leave the demesne to put it back up again, only the Druid himself. And that won't work if several people with protection enter your demesne.
3. It is impossible to chase (and catch) a smart druid through their demesne.
Not true. It's even easy to hinder him. Just put him off equi or balance to hinder forestcast center, and it usually is this one little Moment the Druid is mortally wounded or killed.
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Ceres2005-09-08 18:09:47
You guys seem to have this (wrong) impression that druids are as durable as wet cardboard.