Envoy Changes

by Xenthos

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Narsrim2005-09-14 19:24:59
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 14 2005, 03:20 PM)
Barrier can be removed with a disruption scroll. Many things can stop chasm, and last that is only one specification of elementalism you are talking about. I think you need to re-open your case, because you did a poor job of presenting it the first time.
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To be completely honest, I just wanted to rally you mages up. I wasn't being totally serious. Anyhoo, I think Telekinesis is rather nasty and Telepathy can be nasty... getting pounded by three afflictions at once in a demesne is far from underpowered.
Revan2005-09-14 19:25:22
Meh, just ignore Narsrim. He's not very objective and only cares about his own skills. That said, I'm still very disappointed with the envoy coders that they cannot see how the insane balances on the channels is severely crippling, no matter how many of us try to point it out.
Geb2005-09-14 19:25:36
Manse got an upgrade. The willpower and endurance regeneration was enough for it. It could have been lowered in power cost too, but can't get everything we desired. I never felt that manse should have any tactical use in combat. Making it some sort of group escape ability would have been a bit overboard.

Ixion2005-09-14 19:26:12
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 02:21 PM)
Sounds ridiculous to me. You could basically create a hideout almost anywhere... hell, greater pentagram isn't that good.
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Greater pent needs a boost. Heck, you can even SWIM through it.
Geb2005-09-14 19:27:16
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 08:24 PM)
To be completely honest, I just wanted to rally you mages up. I wasn't being totally serious. Anyhoo, I think Telekinesis is rather nasty and Telepathy can be nasty... getting pounded by three afflictions at once in a demesne is far from underpowered.
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Can only get pounded by 2 at once. Afflictions are mainly on the Substratus and Id channels. The damage attacks are on the Superstratus channel.
Narsrim2005-09-14 19:28:04
To be honest Revan, I have no idea what the balance times are. Someone post a log.
Kaervas2005-09-14 19:29:30
I suppose when you consider that demesne effects will be passively hitting as well as psionics channels it makes sense that the timers weren't shortened.
Narsrim2005-09-14 19:30:10
QUOTE(Kaervas @ Sep 14 2005, 03:29 PM)
I suppose when you consider that demesne effects will be passively hitting as well as psionics channels it makes sense that the timers weren't shortened.
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You can also time say a barrage of three afflictions with stun... that's not shabby.
Kaervas2005-09-14 19:30:40
With great concentration, you focus all thoughts upon your inner self.-----SUB
3957h, 5651m, 4715e, 10p eSixk---/20:30:24.583/
You mentally send a psychic field that surrounds your body.--------SUPER
3957h, 5651m, 4525e, 10p eixk---/20:30:24.793/
You surround yourself with a telekinetic forcefield.------------ID
3957h, 5651m, 4240e, 10p exk---/20:30:25.174/
You feel the Substratus channel has been fully locked.
3957h, 5651m, 4240e, 10p exk---/20:30:28.689/
You feel the Id channel has been fully locked.
3957h, 5651m, 4240e, 10p exk---/20:30:30.712/
You feel the Superstratus channel has been fully locked.
3957h, 5651m, 4365e, 10p exk---/20:30:33.756/
Revan2005-09-14 19:33:27
Which channels were each locking? Like.. the first was sub, then id, then super?
Geb2005-09-14 19:49:19
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 08:24 PM)
To be completely honest, I just wanted to rally you mages up. I wasn't being totally serious. Anyhoo, I think Telekinesis is rather nasty and Telepathy can be nasty... getting pounded by three afflictions at once in a demesne is far from underpowered.
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It is 2 afflictions, as I have stated before. Also, none of the afflictions given are really debilitating in or out of a demesne, especially when the best recovery on using the fastest channel is 4 seconds. Last, Superstratus is on an 8-second recovery. Even in a demesne, using the Superstratus channel makes you fodder for insta-kills, high damage attackers (No way to shield, move, etc for 8 seconds), and afflictions that require you to use a balance to cure (Like ectoplasm or Sap).

I wanted debating and the damage attacks to be change to actually be viable. I’ve tested the increased damage, I am still way better off using Kether in those circumstances that require it, and non-psionic damage attacks under normal circumstances. An 8-second recovery on an active attack is an extremely long-time in IRE combat. It is an extremely long time for a person to be vulnerable to various sort of attacks, which you ought to know Narsrim. You know darn well you would avoid using something that kept you locked in one place for 8-seconds like the plague.
Terenas2005-09-14 19:50:57
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 14 2005, 07:20 PM)
Barrier can be removed with a disruption scroll. Many things can stop chasm, and last that is only one specification of elementalism you are talking about. I think you need to re-open your case, because you did a poor job of presenting it the first time.
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Many things can stop chasm, but not all of those abilities are equally available to all the archetypes. Give me an ability to stop chasm and I wouldn't complain. tongue.gif
Narsrim2005-09-14 19:51:12
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 14 2005, 03:49 PM)
It is 2 afflictions, as I have stated before. Also, none of the afflictions given are really debilitating in or out of a demesne, especially when the best recovery on using the fastest channel is 4 seconds. Last, Superstratus is on an 8-second recovery. Even in a demesne, using the Superstratus channel makes you fodder for insta-kills, high damage attackers (No way to shield, move, etc for 8 seconds), and afflictions that require you to use a balance to cure (Like ectoplasm or Sap).

I wanted debating and the damage attacks to be change to actually be viable. I’ve tested the increased damage, I am still way better off using Kether in those circumstances that require it, and non-psionic damage attacks under normal circumstances. An 8-second recovery on an active attack is an extremely long-time in IRE combat. It is an extremely long time for a person to be vulnerable to various sort of attacks, which you ought to know Narsrim. You know darn well you would avoid using something that kept you locked in one place for 8-seconds like the plague.
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Correction, dear Geb. I'd take Dreamweaving. Memory Loss is insane in a demesne. Insane.
Geb2005-09-14 19:52:02
QUOTE(terenas @ Sep 14 2005, 08:50 PM)
Many things can stop chasm, but not all of those abilities are equally available to all the archetypes. Give me an ability to stop chasm and I wouldn't complain.  tongue.gif
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That complaint is a valid one, and it has been mentioned before. Warriors should have a way to stop chasm.
Geb2005-09-14 19:53:26
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 08:51 PM)
Correction, dear Geb. I'd take Dreamweaving. Memory Loss is insane in a demesne. Insane.
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Huh? I am talking about using an ability that takes balance from you for 8 seconds. I did not mention anything about Memoryloss, which does not have anything to do with Psionics. (You do know you can't have both?)
Narsrim2005-09-14 19:54:43
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 14 2005, 03:53 PM)
Huh? I am talking about using an ability that takes balance from you for 8 seconds. I did not mention anything about Memoryloss, which does not have anything to do with Psionics. (You do know you can't have both?)
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I was just saying that I'd never take Psionics to begin with as I don't see how anyone could turn down passive blackout and uncurable sleep.

Psionics are nice, but there are some drawbacks... speed seems to be the big one.
Kaervas2005-09-14 19:55:20
Chasm has been nerfed enough, it takes 12 seconds for chasm to kill anyone. Warriors have killed me before in the time that it takes to chasm.

Also name someone who actually regularly uses chasm anymore since people consider it such an overpowered skill we should all be using it.
Narsrim2005-09-14 19:59:23
QUOTE(Kaervas @ Sep 14 2005, 03:55 PM)
Chasm has been nerfed enough, it takes 12 seconds for chasm to kill anyone. Warriors have killed me before in the time that it takes to chasm.
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Isn't that like the point of hindering the target, afflicting them, etc...?
Kaervas2005-09-14 20:02:37
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 08:59 PM)
Isn't that like the point of hindering the target, afflicting them, etc...?
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I suppose I could always break their leg or point my imaginary web ring at them, good luck finding an enchanter in Magnagora. Either way you all need to stop bitching about chasm, it's not like anyone even uses it anymore.

But anyway, back on topic. I keep psionics for the sweet defs.
Terenas2005-09-14 20:04:06
QUOTE(Kaervas @ Sep 14 2005, 08:02 PM)
I suppose I could always break their leg or point my imaginary web ring at them, good luck finding an enchanter in Magnagora. Either way you all need to stop bitching about chasm, it's not like anyone even uses it anymore.
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I got killed by Chasm the other day by Odjin when Torak and Mell were hindering me. Guess someone does use it. And I'm posting this right now while getting enchantments. tongue.gif