Unknown2005-09-15 01:35:40
Quick, Glomdoring! This is your last chance at glory!
Every single person with swoop is to fly over the Moonhart and commence operation Genocide at once!
Every single person with swoop is to fly over the Moonhart and commence operation Genocide at once!
Munsia2005-09-15 01:38:10
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Sep 14 2005, 09:35 PM)
Quick, Glomdoring! This is your last chance at glory!
Every single person with swoop is to fly over the Moonhart and commence operation Genocide at once!
Every single person with swoop is to fly over the Moonhart and commence operation Genocide at once!
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Live forest would own them all
Narsrim2005-09-15 01:41:25
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 14 2005, 08:24 PM)
I'm quite irate with the lack of anything in Moon to for peaceful influencing. Light is still completely worthless compared to Chanting. My ire is not directed at the Admins by any means - just at the Envoy who said he refused to submit any changes regarding peaceful influencing because "Terenas was handling it."
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I refused to submit what? I want a very detailed response as I find this rather insulting. Before you do respond, however, it might be worth noting that I was one of the first envoys to request that chanting be given its own balance. Check it out now and compare to its former incarnation.
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As a general note to everyone else, if you feel that X-ability was not upgraded fairly, I do suggest you check out what your envoy report specifically said. With an example out of Nihilism, Lisaera stated earlier that the only request was for a reduction of power cost to Spawn. There was no request for it to be any different.
Blame your envoys not the administration.
Xenthos2005-09-15 01:42:45
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 09:41 PM)
I refused to submit what? I want a very detailed response as I find this rather insulting. Before you do respond, however, it might be worth noting that I was one of the first envoys to request that chanting be given its own balance. Check it out now and compare to its former incarnation.
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As a general note to everyone else, if you feel that X-ability was not upgraded fairly, I do suggest you check out what your envoy report specifically said. With an example out of Nihilism, Lisaera stated earlier that the only request was for a reduction of power cost. There was no request for it to be any different.
Blame your envoys not the administration.
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As a general note to everyone else, if you feel that X-ability was not upgraded fairly, I do suggest you check out what your envoy report specifically said. With an example out of Nihilism, Lisaera stated earlier that the only request was for a reduction of power cost. There was no request for it to be any different.
Blame your envoys not the administration.
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I'm not blaming the administration... I haven't seen my own envoy report, and I really would like to. :/
Edit: Taking steps to rectify this, so feel free to ignore
Munsia2005-09-15 01:43:01
1: Log on Narsrim
2: Our envoy did submit stuff for druidry
2: Our envoy did submit stuff for druidry
Alger2005-09-15 01:48:54
dont say operation genocide... you need to be a bit more ambigious...
project birdsplatter
project birdsplatter
Shorlen2005-09-15 01:50:14
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 09:41 PM)
I refused to submit what? I want a very detailed response as I find this rather insulting. Before you do respond, however, it might be worth noting that I was one of the first envoys to request that chanting be given its own balance. Check it out now and compare to its former incarnation.
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Hmm. It was a while ago. I just looked up my logs and found it - I thought I had told you more of my idea than I had. When you said, essentially, Terenas is handling it so I shouldn't talk to you about it, it really put me off =\\ I guess that was my fault for not going to speak to Terenas afterwards. I retract my insult - it was unwarrented.
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You tell Heir of Ellindel, Narsrim D'cente`, Moonlit Avenger, "I would very
much like us to have some ability that aides during peaceful village
influencing like the chant of the cities - Moonlight is absurdly weak. Either
Moonlight should be strengthened, or we should have some skill that allows the
members of a Coven to channel their ego to the leader of the Coven..."
Narsrim tells you, "It is in Terenas's report to be upgraded."
You tell Heir of Ellindel, Narsrim D'cente`, Moonlit Avenger, "Ah."
much like us to have some ability that aides during peaceful village
influencing like the chant of the cities - Moonlight is absurdly weak. Either
Moonlight should be strengthened, or we should have some skill that allows the
members of a Coven to channel their ego to the leader of the Coven..."
Narsrim tells you, "It is in Terenas's report to be upgraded."
You tell Heir of Ellindel, Narsrim D'cente`, Moonlit Avenger, "Ah."
At that point, it felt like there was no reason to explain my ideas or pursue the changes I was about to suggest, because you had no intention of adding them to the report, as your reply was rather curt and very immediate. Next time, I'll talk to the Serenguard envoy too when I really desperately want a change to Moon.
Narsrim2005-09-15 01:56:28
And let's take a reality check: Terenas's report had a suggestion to improve Light in Moon. That suggestion was added in this latest batch. Had I added the very same thing in my report, it would have just taken up space (my report was already quite long), and we could have expected the EXACT SAME result in the end. I'm sorry you don't like that result, however, there would have been no different outcome if I had repeated what was already in his report. That's how the system works.
I realize you are not an envoy, but Terenas and I tried this time around to not state the same thing twice. We wanted to branch out and cover the points we each felt were important. To be honest, I would have much prefered that Light remain how it was and that Mooncoven Join/Form be changed to non-violent actions. As you can see, it didn't happen. The suggestion that was selected was to improve Light.
I realize you are not an envoy, but Terenas and I tried this time around to not state the same thing twice. We wanted to branch out and cover the points we each felt were important. To be honest, I would have much prefered that Light remain how it was and that Mooncoven Join/Form be changed to non-violent actions. As you can see, it didn't happen. The suggestion that was selected was to improve Light.
Terenas2005-09-15 01:57:05
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 15 2005, 01:50 AM)
Hmm. It was a while ago. I just looked up my logs and found it - I thought I had told you more of my idea than I had. When you said, essentially, Terenas is handling it so I shouldn't talk to you about it, it really put me off =\\ I guess that was my fault for not going to speak to Terenas afterwards. I retract my insult - it was unwarrented.
At that point, it felt like there was no reason to explain my ideas or pursue the changes I was about to suggest, because you had no intention of adding them to the report, as your reply was rather curt and very immediate. Next time, I'll talk to the Serenguard envoy too when I really desperately want a change to Moon.
At that point, it felt like there was no reason to explain my ideas or pursue the changes I was about to suggest, because you had no intention of adding them to the report, as your reply was rather curt and very immediate. Next time, I'll talk to the Serenguard envoy too when I really desperately want a change to Moon.
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If you must look at what I asked for Moon in my report, you could have asked any Serenguard since I post my report on our guild's clan because not all the members can read the guild board.
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-MOON-
**Suggestions**
Dark: Though it has been greatly upgraded from its early version, this skill still drains a high amount of power and can be easily evaded by leaving the room. I would like it to be kept the way it is but also made target-able for 5 powers on one person. It should last no more than 60 seconds and uncureable by focus spirit. Perhaps the syntaxes could be separated into MOONDANCE DARK HERE and MOONDANCE DARK AT. To prevent it from being too overpowered, targettable Dark Moon and room-based Dark Moon should not stack.
Waxing: It isn't healing other people in a coven, or it heals barely anything, only around 50 or so.
Lashing: Should heal more than the small amount it does at the moment, it is very little at the moment (around 33%) compared to the 60% that Leech gives in term of mana.
Light: The ego regeneration afford by this Coven ability is incredibly small, barely 50 ego every 7 seconds. It should be at least be a level 1 ego regeneration considering that Serenwilde's guilds don't have access to Leititia for influencing.
**Suggestions**
Dark: Though it has been greatly upgraded from its early version, this skill still drains a high amount of power and can be easily evaded by leaving the room. I would like it to be kept the way it is but also made target-able for 5 powers on one person. It should last no more than 60 seconds and uncureable by focus spirit. Perhaps the syntaxes could be separated into MOONDANCE DARK HERE and MOONDANCE DARK AT
Waxing: It isn't healing other people in a coven, or it heals barely anything, only around 50 or so.
Lashing: Should heal more than the small amount it does at the moment, it is very little at the moment (around 33%) compared to the 60% that Leech gives in term of mana.
Light: The ego regeneration afford by this Coven ability is incredibly small, barely 50 ego every 7 seconds. It should be at least be a level 1 ego regeneration considering that Serenwilde's guilds don't have access to Leititia for influencing.
Those are the 4 of suggestions I made that got implemented. Critize, complain, whatever. I've put a ton of time into writing the report, if you don't like it. Then go die.
Narsrim2005-09-15 01:59:30
This is what my report had for Moon (total):
As you can see, three out of four of my suggestions were added in. I am -very- happy for this as I consider this an exceptional amount.
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Moon
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- Mooncoven Form and Mooncoven Join need changed to nonviolent actions.
- Mooncoven abilities (Form, Join, Dissolve, etc) should not be force-able.
- (New Ability) Mooncoven Appoint: the leader of the Coven may select a replacement such that the Coven may continue in his or her absence.
- Rage: Waning works on targets indoors with Rage. The AB scroll states it should work in outdoor locations only. Also, Dark does not appear to work via Rage since the change of Dark.
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- Mooncoven Form and Mooncoven Join need changed to nonviolent actions.
- Mooncoven abilities (Form, Join, Dissolve, etc) should not be force-able.
- (New Ability) Mooncoven Appoint: the leader of the Coven may select a replacement such that the Coven may continue in his or her absence.
- Rage: Waning works on targets indoors with Rage. The AB scroll states it should work in outdoor locations only. Also, Dark does not appear to work via Rage since the change of Dark.
As you can see, three out of four of my suggestions were added in. I am -very- happy for this as I consider this an exceptional amount.
Shorlen2005-09-15 02:06:30
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 09:56 PM)
And let's take a reality check: Terenas's report had a suggestion to improve Light in Moon. That suggestion was added in this latest batch. Had I added the very same thing in my report, it would have just taken up space (my report was already quite long), and we could have expected the EXACT SAME result in the end. I'm sorry you don't like that result, however, there would have been no different outcome if I had repeated what was already in his report. That's how the system works.
I realize you are not an envoy, but Terenas and I tried this time around to not state the same thing twice. We wanted to branch out and cover the points we each felt were important. To be honest, I would have much prefered that Light remain how it was and that Mooncoven Join/Form be changed to non-violent actions. As you can see, it didn't happen. The suggestion that was selected was to improve Light.
I realize you are not an envoy, but Terenas and I tried this time around to not state the same thing twice. We wanted to branch out and cover the points we each felt were important. To be honest, I would have much prefered that Light remain how it was and that Mooncoven Join/Form be changed to non-violent actions. As you can see, it didn't happen. The suggestion that was selected was to improve Light.
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I was trying to suggest a new ability, completely different and seperate from light, to channel ego from members of a coven to the leader of the Coven, or perhaps from the members of a Coven to a specific person. Light CAN'T be useful, or it would be overpowered. What we need is something different from it for peaceful influencing so things aren't so unbalanced towards the cities. Let light just make pretty sparklies that give minor benefit for resurgem coven like it is now - let us get something else for influencing, that is actually worthwhile =\\
Unknown2005-09-15 02:07:17
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 15 2005, 02:06 AM)
I was trying to suggest a new ability, completely different and seperate from light, to channel ego from members of a coven to the leader of the Coven, or perhaps from the members of a Coven to a specific person. Light CAN'T be useful, or it would be overpowered. What we need is something different from it for peaceful influencing so things aren't so unbalanced towards the cities. Let light just make pretty sparklies that give minor benefit for resurgem coven like it is now - let us get something else for influencing, that is actually worthwhile =\\
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Shush, Narsrim is busy gloating about how much the admins love all his ideas.
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:12:33
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 14 2005, 10:06 PM)
I was trying to suggest a new ability, completely different and seperate from light, to channel ego from members of a coven to the leader of the Coven, or perhaps from the members of a Coven to a specific person. Light CAN'T be useful, or it would be overpowered. What we need is something different from it for peaceful influencing so things aren't so unbalanced towards the cities. Let light just make pretty sparklies that give minor benefit for resurgem coven like it is now - let us get something else for influencing, that is actually worthwhile =\\
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QUOTE
You tell Heir of Ellindel, Narsrim D'cente`, Moonlit Avenger, "I would very much like us to have some ability that aides during peaceful village influencing like the chant of the cities - Moonlight is absurdly weak. Either Moonlight should be strengthened, or we should have some skill that allows the embers of a Coven to channel their ego to the leader of the Coven..."
As it stands, chanting was massively downgraded from its former incarnation. This was done on part to "adjust" it to be useful, but not impossible to compete with in regards to Commune. I was the first person to suggest this change and as such, I am obligated to always consider how drastic it was.
You suggested that either Light be change -or- X be added. Your request was granted. Light was changed. If this doesn't suite you, I do suggest you be more careful in how you word suggestions in the future.
As a general note to everyone else but as a good follow up to the above, the addition of new abilities is rare. The administration has always been favorable to tweaks to what you already have (hence a minor upgrade to Light) than some brand spanking new ability that has to be considered for overall balance issues (far more than say making something a little bit stronger) and then requires design/coding. I only suggest new abilities when I feel they are an absolute must as nothing in the skillset could be modified as a substitute.
Shorlen2005-09-15 02:12:51
I just tried MOONCOVEN APPOINT.
OMGOMGOMGOMG
I love you, Lisaera
It's wonderful and perfect!
OMGOMGOMGOMG
I love you, Lisaera
It's wonderful and perfect!
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:13:29
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Sep 14 2005, 10:07 PM)
Shush, Narsrim is busy gloating about how much the admins love all his ideas.
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In my wildest dreams! I've always been paranoid that I'm going to get this message from Estarra that says, "Ok Narsrim, this envoy report was just ridiculous. I'm going to have to replace you."
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:14:03
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 14 2005, 10:12 PM)
I just tried MOONCOVEN APPOINT.
OMGOMGOMGOMG
I love you, Lisaera
It's wonderful and perfect!
OMGOMGOMGOMG
I love you, Lisaera
It's wonderful and perfect!
186211
It was a suggestion from Laysus, I believe.
Shorlen2005-09-15 02:14:37
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 14 2005, 10:12 PM)
As it stands, chanting was massively downgraded from its former incarnation. This was done on part to "adjust" it to be useful, but not impossible to compete with in regards to Commune. I was the first person to suggest this change and as such, I am obligated to always consider how drastic it was.
You suggested that either Light be change -or- X be added. Your request was granted. Light was changed. If this doesn't suite you, I do suggest you be more careful in how you word suggestions in the future.
As a general note to everyone else but as a good follow up to the above, the addition of new abilities is rare. The administration has always been favorable to tweaks to what you already have (hence a minor upgrade to Light) than some brand spanking new ability that has to be considered for overall balance issues (far more than say making something a little bit stronger) and then requires design/coding. I only suggest new abilities when I feel they are an absolute must as nothing in the skillset could be modified as a substitute.
You suggested that either Light be change -or- X be added. Your request was granted. Light was changed. If this doesn't suite you, I do suggest you be more careful in how you word suggestions in the future.
As a general note to everyone else but as a good follow up to the above, the addition of new abilities is rare. The administration has always been favorable to tweaks to what you already have (hence a minor upgrade to Light) than some brand spanking new ability that has to be considered for overall balance issues (far more than say making something a little bit stronger) and then requires design/coding. I only suggest new abilities when I feel they are an absolute must as nothing in the skillset could be modified as a substitute.
186210
Meh, it's mostly just me whining that peaceful village influencing is absurdly boring with the skills we have, and that we should have new and interesting ones to make it more fun and engaging. Debate is the only skill there, really, and debating just isn't that interesting =\\
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:17:34
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 14 2005, 10:14 PM)
Meh, it's mostly just me whining that peaceful village influencing is absurdly boring with the skills we have, and that we should have new and interesting ones to make it more fun and engaging. Debate is the only skill there, really, and debating just isn't that interesting =\\
186214
I realize that things don't turn out how one always expects, however, I spent hours-and-hours-and-hours writing, tweaking, testing, and gathering comments for my envoy report. I take it quite harshly when someone claims that I blatantly ignored them or that their suggestions were rejected for unfounded reasons.
Your suggestion was noted and it even was added (perhaps not the way you anticipated), however, I can only suggest changes (with Terenas in this case). I have no power in how they turn out in the end.
Xenthos2005-09-15 02:18:09
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 14 2005, 10:14 PM)
Meh, it's mostly just me whining that peaceful village influencing is absurdly boring with the skills we have, and that we should have new and interesting ones to make it more fun and engaging. Debate is the only skill there, really, and debating just isn't that interesting =\\
186214
What about for those of us who don't even have those skills? It's even MORE boring.
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:22:30
Would someone post about Succumb? I'm curious.