Envoy Changes

by Xenthos

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Shorlen2005-09-15 02:23:26
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Sep 14 2005, 10:18 PM)
What about for those of us who don't even have those skills?  It's even MORE boring.  ohmy.gif
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I have said multiple times that it's not fair that the Glomdoring gets no skills relating to peaceful influencing. The cities get chanting, we get Light, useless as it is, you guys get NOTHING =\\ So not fair.
Alger2005-09-15 02:23:35
I dont like your envoy report ter... hmph!
Terenas2005-09-15 02:27:58
For anyone interested, Dark Moon is stackable when cast in the room and on a target. The affliction rate is reduced down from once every 10 seconds to once every 6 seconds. But the targetted version is cureable by focus spirit and lasts only a minute.
Sylphas2005-09-15 02:29:18
That's insane, and if it's not a bug, someone was smoking crack when they implemented that.
Alger2005-09-15 02:30:09
affliction and stripping rate you mean?
Unknown2005-09-15 02:30:09
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 15 2005, 02:13 AM)
In my wildest dreams! I've always been paranoid that I'm going to get this message from Estarra that says, "Ok Narsrim, this envoy report was just ridiculous. I'm going to have to replace you."
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I've always wanted to be an envoy, myself... hrm... inspiration!
Daevos2005-09-15 02:30:32
Damn, Sylphas stop making me agree with you.
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:31:03
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 14 2005, 10:29 PM)
That's insane, and if it's not a bug, someone was smoking crack when they implemented that.
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It costs 13p to pull off. Let's compare that to some other abilities that cost around 13p to pull off like Inquisition.
Sylphas2005-09-15 02:34:49
So because one thing needs looked at, we should let the rest go? Not the strongest of arguments, I think, by rather a large margin. You can use that for whichever one they try to fix.

Of course, you don't have Inquisition, so you wouldn't mind.
Sylphas2005-09-15 02:35:39
QUOTE(Daevos @ Sep 14 2005, 10:30 PM)
Damn, Sylphas stop making me agree with you.
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You're not supposed to agree with me! I can't fight worth a damn, so my opinions are obviously wrong!
Narsrim2005-09-15 02:35:49
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 14 2005, 10:34 PM)
So because one thing needs looked at, we should let the rest go?  Not the strongest of arguments, I think, by rather a large margin.  You can use that for whichever one they try to fix.

Of course, you don't have Inquisition, so you wouldn't mind.
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Inquisition is fine and to be quite honest, who would bother wasting an additional 5p on a target so he or she gains 1 affliction/strip 4 seconds faster for 60 seconds when you could just wait and spend 8p and recast Dark Moon in a room that hits all enemies?
Hajamin2005-09-15 05:36:07
I would just like to point out Kether != Mindblast. And Psiblade is a novice skill.

Kether:

900-1k damage
4 second eq
Targets phased people
Near Trans


Mindblast:

800-900 damage
800-900 mana damage
800-900 ego damage
8 second channel balance
Targets phased or unphased people
Around Virtuoso? (about halfway up telepathy)


Those are two very different things, only thing the have the same is both can hit phased people.
Shiri2005-09-15 05:41:17
Well, let's see.

Dark moon is now a great skill. I don't see what's too bad with contagion being projectable, though I'm not sure it's key either. :shrug:

Shine isn't that great, still...actually, it seems to wear off quicker than before, or is that just me?

Light I haven't tested yet.

Mooncoven appoint rocks.

Was Lash even changed at all? mellow.gif It healed me for like 200 when I was on half health sparring Thaemorn.

Waxing I want to check now. I think the issue was more that it sucked because it could only affect people in the circle...and the odds of anyone needing to (or having any reason to) use waxing moon in active combat so that the other, what, 2-6 Moon users there can get healed of 100 health are about 0. If it worked coven-wide, that would have been awesome. Still, it's not major.
Unknown2005-09-15 05:42:58
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! (for the new Stag Totem!)

:worthy2: wub.gif
Geb2005-09-15 05:45:16
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Sep 15 2005, 06:36 AM)
I would just like to point out Kether != Mindblast.  And Psiblade is a novice skill.

Kether:

900-1k damage
4 second eq
Targets phased people
Near Trans
Mindblast:

800-900 damage
800-900 mana damage
800-900 ego damage
8 second channel balance
Targets phased or unphased people
Around Virtuoso?  (about halfway up telepathy)
Those are two very different things, only thing the have the same is both can hit phased people.
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For the purposes that they would be used for, comparisons can be made. During situations where you are attacking a phased person, it is better to use kether (since the speed of kether is also adjusted by racial advantages). For situations where you want to do damage to a person, you are better off using attacks based off of equilibrium or balance, since those attacks are far faster and on average do a decent bit more damage.

The straight 8-second recovery on mindblast makes it a pretty subpar skill. Also, you have forgotten to mention that the amount that is done is based on a person's maxed health, mana, and ego. Therefore, 800 is not the min that is being done on some people’s ego, mana, and health. Heck, I have experienced a min of 650 on health, 350 on mana and 450 on ego.
Narsrim2005-09-15 05:47:43
As for Shine, Waxing, etc... everything isn't going to be the best skill ever. Shine is more useful imo for Serenguard, which is fine. Waxing is primarily for yourself... the small benefit for another in a Coven isn't anything to be overly concerned with as far as I'm concerned.

Shorlen2005-09-15 05:48:50
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 15 2005, 01:47 AM)
As for Shine, Waxing, etc... everything isn't going to be the best skill ever. Shine is more useful imo for Serenguard, which is fine. Waxing is primarily for yourself... the small benefit for another in a Coven isn't anything to be overly concerned with as far as I'm concerned.
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What does Shine actually increase, damage wise? All attack skills? I've never used it because it lasts just a few seconds.
Hajamin2005-09-15 05:51:08
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 15 2005, 02:45 PM)
For the purposes that they would be used for, comparisons can be made. During situations where you are attacking a phased person, it is better to use kether (since the speed of kether is also adjusted by racial advantages). For situations where you want to do damage to a person, you are better off using attacks based off of equilibrium or balance, since those attacks are far faster and on average do a decent bit more damage.

The straight 8-second recovery on mindblast makes it a pretty subpar skill. Also, you have forgotten to mention that the amount that is done is based on a person's maxed health, mana, and ego. Therefore, 800 is not the min that is being done on some people’s ego, mana, and health. Heck, I have experienced a min of 650 on health, 350 on mana and 450 on ego.
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The 800-900 was taken from an average of peoples health. Yes it can be higher or lower, as can Kethers damage. And again, you have a demesne going, and can hit with 3 afflictions in the same balance. Psychic reistance/weakness factors into all three, and your int factors into the damage.
Shiri2005-09-15 05:53:53
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Sep 15 2005, 06:47 AM)
As for Shine, Waxing, etc... everything isn't going to be the best skill ever. Shine is more useful imo for Serenguard, which is fine. Waxing is primarily for yourself... the small benefit for another in a Coven isn't anything to be overly concerned with as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah, I know, just saying that it's not like these are giant upgrades, it's more like fluff. But I like dark a lot with the projected version. It was really good with the land version, but it's annoying when you do an 8p move and the druid just moves one room and starts slinging and using demesne effects from there. dry.gif So now you have a good alternative. I'm just not sure why they bothered with the waxing upgrade. It was pretty much nothing anyway, and it's still nothing now.

Shorlen: It increases my moonburst damage from about 950 to about 1060, but that's only in the first phase. It tops out at about 1200 some, but I'm not an Elfen/Mugwump so it'll make more of a difference to them.
Geb2005-09-15 05:54:31
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Sep 15 2005, 06:51 AM)
The 800-900 was taken from an average of peoples health.  Yes it can be higher or lower, as can Kethers damage.  And again, you have a demesne going, and can hit with 3 afflictions in the same balance.  Psychic reistance/weakness factors into all three, and your int factors into the damage.
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Do you even know the skills you work on? You can hit with 2 afflictions and damage. The affliction skills can only be used on Substratus and Id. The damage is only allowable on the Superstratus channel.

Did you play in other IRE realms before helping with the coding in this game? If so, did you actually participate in the combat aspect of the game?