I don't think Amaru did but I wish I had a chance to talk to him beforehand. So far none in the Celestines besides me but I am converting a lot of novices to astrology!

Since a new page started while I was typing this I'll post it again so it doesn't get missed.

EDIT: Notably one of the changes was the ability to either have a major alteration of the factors influencing it for 10p, that lasts a short while (maybe 3 minutes like shine), or a 3p ability to shift maybe of the planets, so you have at least a SMALL amount of control in what abilities you get. I have a feeling that one's not going to get in, but it's probably what astrology needs most, other than just a speed increase in general (a 3 second balance with +eq for basically unmasked single afflictions isn't worth it except with aeon and stupidity. And maybe anorexia.)

I have an alt with astrology and i have to say its nice skill if you dotn have credits to trans it. On adept you have abbility to cast aeon on 1/3 of people on lusternia. its not like Aeon in Tarot buy much lower and i also think that sun ray is just pathefic. I never did more then 100 damage with it as Lucidian even if enemy had disadvantage on this type of damage. It should be much more stronger 500 at least and then you could use it if enemy susceptible to damage that you can do with sun ray.

I learned only a bit above adept so i'm not sure how good or bad are spheres. but I like to buy them from time to time, if they only could work longer.

I'd take astrology over psionics anyday if mages had that option. Being able to increase stats (however random it is) and lower other's stats plus being able to give fire (among other things obviously) weakness/resistance is pretty sweet. I just wish Magnagora had an active astrologer.

Edit: Plus you get the passive stat gains (even if it is just +1) depending on the starsigns too.

Actually, medium coeli isn't even +1 INT passive like I thought it was, it's +10% maxmana. Which is similar but not identical for obvious reasons. I have a suspicion descendant and ascendant are the same but it matters less for descendant since AFAIK CON only affects health anyway, and one charisma isn't that important. That's only 1/3 of the time you have any ONE of these buffs though.

See, if I look at you today...I get this.

---------- Kaervas ----------
MOON - HALLUCINATIONS
EROEE - JUSTICE
SIDIAK - STUPIDITY
TAROX - ASTHMA
PAPAXI - MANA
AAPEK - POX
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
SUN - VOR DAMAGE
MOON - DOR HALLUCINATIONS
EROEE - BUR PEACE
SIDIAK - BUR AMNESIA
TAROX - SKR IGNITION
PAPAXI - CRR MANA
AAPEK - VOR AEON
- - - - - SUN - - - - -
{ (Volcano) (Lion/Dragon) (Twins/Bumble) (Antlers/Glacier) }
{ (Censer) (Skull/Dolphin) (Croc/Spider) }
- - - - - AAPEK - - - - -
{ (Volcano) (Lion/Dragon) (Twins/Bumble) (Antlers/Glacier) }
{ (Censer) (Skull/Dolphin) (Croc/Spider) }

The top part is the afflictions I can give. It's masked, but only partially. If you get sidiak, you always eat pennyroyal - it's either stupidity, amnesia or confusion. If you get moon, eat pennyroyal and sip melancholic to cover all the options. These things are slightly faster than a normal move, but for a single more-or-less unmasked affliction you're not going to get anything to stick. Also look at the second half of the afflictions. I can't even do aeon, peace or amnesia reliably because if I do one it chooses randomly which one it wants to happen.

As for the spheres, that's 20% fire resistance, 2 charisma, 15% magic resistance, 10% psychic resistance, 10% focus body time (I haven't measured that to see if the 10% translates, but it says it does), +1 DEX, and 5% fire resistance. You can't have all of these on you at once, opposites collide (so no skull and dolphin.) To you, I can give -15% asphyxiation resistance, -5% physical or poison resistance, and either -2 INT or -2 CON. All of the negative ones, today at least, cost 10p. Also they have an additional cost in endurance/will a lot of the time which prevents you from doing more than one at a time for a whole army, but which is basically negligible as far as solo combat goes. If I was trans, which I'm not, for 3p I could give you both aeon and like 100 damage, or peace and amnesia, again with the same messages.

This is a pretty crappy day actually, normally it's not as bad as that, but you at least get the idea. It's not unusable, far from it, but it could use a little work.

EDIT: That's my self made java echo interface thingy by the way, Pretty huh?

Yea astrology is realy nice skillset.
Why it wasnt here when i was Celestine?

EDIT:

Nejii check my nativity too. I have nasty affilictions.

Astrology's offense needs a lot of work, but we'll figure something out with this or the next envoy.

Oh yeah its offense sucks alot, I just like the defs. Now to persuade a Nihilist to take it so I can get buffs.

As i sad its better choice then Tarot for those that dont have credits.

---------- ekard ----------
MOON - DIZZINESS
EROEE - JUSTICE
SIDIAK - STUPIDITY
TAROX - IGNITION
PAPAXI - HEALTH
AAPEK - AEON

That's you. See, same as Kaervas, the only ones worth using are aeon and stupidity. (He doesn't get aeon, he gets crappy pox, lucky sod.) Honestly the rest are pretty irrelevant and I only use hallucinations sometimes to be extra annoying when stacking stupidity/aeon/sleep (which I'm not very good at, in part because their insomnia trigger is faster than my order ekard sleep;point bracelet at ekard trigger due to JAVAness.)

I know what you mean. If I was a druid ecologist I would love to have an astrologer on my side to give me +2 CON sometimes. It's a nice miniature trade skill some days.

Nobody cares about guardians.

All you see on forums and everywhere are discussions about demesnes, sap, blackout, insane warriors damage or speed or afflictions... never about guardians.

Mages got Dreamweaving and Psionics with two specializations, both interesting and viable in combat. Warriors got hunting and two new specializations, and their spec have been overhauled, time spent on it was tremendous.

Guardians got Astrology. Which even Estarra stated is a skillset for the chosen and only few have taken.

As a Nihilist, I'm kind of disappointed that through the last two envoy reports we got pretty much nothing, just minor tweaks. In the matter of fact, I don't remember any considerable upgrade or interesting change, I remember downgrades though.

And to clarify (just in case), no, I'm not saying it's administrations fault.

Well I guess it sounds a little bitter, heh.

Murphy, everywhere I have been most Admin actually talk and give feedback. You act like it is something I should view as extraordinary. I view it as something any small company should do if it wants to maintain the patronage of its customer base. This is just another case where you and I will disagree. It is your right to be in awe and have low expectations; it is my right to not be awed and have a reasonable level of expectations.

20 credits and i'll burn it

20 credits to burn it, with video.

As it stands, Guardians are probably the most balanced classes. Let's take a quick look at a Celestine Enchanter with Tarot:

Hermit, Catacombs, Lust (awesome against Mages/Druids), Aeon, Heretic and Infidel (like 8-9 afflictions for 6p), Inquisition, Soulless, Judgement, Trueheal, Numen, Sacrifice (for 1% loss, you can resurrect a soul... this is like the most awesome skill ever... I never ever ever ever pray thanks to my Celestine/Paladin buddies), Resurrect, Stigmata (passive mana restoration is NICE), Masked afflictions (angel plus fool/enigma for Tarot), Amissio and Absolve (such beats toad curse), Beckon, Radiance (high int Celestines can easily toast liches and it is great for bash undead mobs), Farscout (the best scry-ability out there), Shroud, Star Leaper (so powerful, so under used), Lovers (stops chasm), Disenchanting (2p power = free comms!)

I think the problem with Guardians is that Tarot is so very very nice, everything else is just bleh when compared. Tarot has just about everything you need in one skillset...

dammit, glomdoring needs grove rezz so I can get rezzes too!!!

Make it shadow rezz, cost of some shadows and what not

Shut up and be happy with succumb.

pfff, i want soulrezzes too