Concepts, not specifics necessarily. Try 2 hours an influence, once-twice a week.

I wouldn't mind have two some villages a real week, but personally I would be very happy just to have at least *one* village go up each real week, length of influencing not withstanding

We need more villages!

I don't know if anyone voting for the long, frequent influencing has noticed this, but there's a widespread assumption among those people in the game who thrive on PvP conflict that all other players in the game should enjoy it just as much, and should be considered dead weights if they don't rush to join in this constant PvP you're clamoring for.

Therein lies the problem for those of us who want our conflicts sedate and strategic instead of fast and frantic: not how often the villages come into play, but the fact it's considered a black mark against us every time we don't put village influencing at the very top of our to-do list. Thus the more village influences that happen, the wider the social gap that appears between the PvP enthusiasts and the people who really can't stand it.

At least once during influencing, when he was leading the Serenguard, Gwylifar was heard to issue a blanket threat of disfavour for those who did not come to aid. Such was the threat that we would have lost one newbie to those words alone had I not personally stepped in and reassured her. I believe Gwylifar was actually directing his threat only at druids of a certain skill level, but the newbie didn't understand that, and she shouldn't have had to.

It's all well and good for those of you who thrive on the chaos to say "more more more". You're the ones constantly congratulating and favouring each other for doing a job that you're desperate to have anyway.

Meanwhile there's an inobtrusive but important minority, quietly working to add depth and character to the world, who not only go unappreciated because their contributions aren't flamboyant, but often find themselves reviled.

Let's take me as one of the most extreme examples, but hardly the only one.

I've earned good credits from making my maps, so I hardly expected anything more from them. Still, someone told me once, long ago, that my Serenwilde map had proved invaluable in making sure that the forest was properly totemed. Ergo, I made a major contribution to the defense of the Serenwilde, but did anyone recognize it publicly? No. Am I remembered for it? No. I'm remembered for not keeping my channels on and not being ready to jump through hoops to help every time the fast and frantic action hits.

And my Cat's Paw shop? Browse the racks just once, and you'll never forget it is the place to go for ladies' wear. But, hmmmm... It's reserved for non-tainted customers only. And why? Because I choose to be supportive of the Moondancer leadership. I don't actually need the guild -- all my guild skills are transed, I'm out of the loop on most of its communications, and I'm committed to never rising through its hierarchy -- and I don't actually see a bit of harm in selling lingerie to viscanti at inflated prices. But I sacrifice that substantial income, purely for the sake of solidarity.

We could also discuss the fact that I've only ever drawn power from Mother twice in my life, both times a tiny bit, and way, way back when I was first trying to figure out how power worked and what it was for. After that, I bought myself a powerplex jewel, and I've rationed myself ever since as if it was my onlysource of power.

And still there are those who would tell you I'm actually a blight on the community, for no reason other than that I cannot function in the midst of chaos (be it influencing or mindless channel chatter), and choose not to try.

When influencing becomes truly optional in the eyes of the community, then I will say: "Knock yourselves out." Until then, I will side with the "less is better" theory.

A good point there overall. Actions like map making weren't realy recognized so much because there's no 'tangible' gain for it (like how RL companies value events that make money more than add to PR or improve company moral...that is, unless they know the latter two will mean more money). It's still sad on the guild's part but there you have it. Hopfully, the Libraries and ideas like it will help bring more respect towards the nonaggressive ways of life.

Also, since villages don't give as much power as they used to (to make Culture importance) perhaps groups won't be as "join or die" as before. In any case, if they are, there's always voting against them in the next election, or, if the entire guild/nation is THAT bad, opting to move to a group that's more welcoming.

Edit: oh yah, and please don't generalize. Not everyone who loves PvP believes that everyone else SHOULD love it too. The PvP lovers are just looking for more ways to do what they enjoy. For those that love village influencing more than anything, the lack of revolts ranges from a bother to outright torture. Just like how peaceful people should be able to enjoy not influencing, Conflict happy people should have plenty of ways to enjoy their conflict.

This may be the only time ever I will completely agree with you, but...

Exarius, if you can't speak about other people without lying, don't speak of other people. I don't disagree with your point, nor agree, nor care. But it'd be nice for you to make it without lies and slander, and it'd be nice for me to be able to stay away as I was asked without having to hear about you telling lies about me again.

Moderators: When you've cleaned the offal out of Exarius's droppings, please remove this post as well.

Your word against mine does not either of us a liar make, Gwylifar.

I'm quite sure you've forgotten the incident. To you, it was nothing: off-hand bluster in the heat of battle. To the newbie I reassured that this was not the threat she was afraid it was, it was monumental.

I will not get into a liar-liar volley with you. It happened. End of story.

Those who know me, know my passion for the truth. Those who do not, won't care one whit what I have to say, and they are entitled to keep any foul opinions of me they may have formed.

Those who know you, know perfectly well your passion for the truth, Exarius. Unfortunately, there's many people who don't know you (some who think they do), and who might imagine you have one, one that's actually connected to truth. I'd be happy to enlighten them about you if you really insist, but I don't see how anyone benefits from that particular enlightenment. It's a dangerous game, sniping at people from behind the skeletons in your closet.

Whether your slander comes through malice (as suggested by your ongoing, obsessive campaign of slander against me) or through delusion (which also has its evidence) is really immaterial. In neither case does it have any place in this forum. Make your point without me if you think you can. I've always managed to make mine without slandering you, until you come after me first, time after time. Surely you can find enough grace and maturity to match me, if I'm so graceless and immature, and out-batting you in this 100%.

Or wait for the moderators to do it for you like they usually have to do. Save us all the trouble next time, though, and keep your bile to yourself. I'm sure you're as eager as I am not to see me back here. Just go back to twisting every topic into a reason to spam advertise your stores, and patting yourself on the back (yes, that's right, no one but you ever made a map of Serenwilde, so without your map they couldn't've planted totems, now eat your oatmeal and take your pills), and just leave me the hell out of it.

Moderators: please delete all of this offal on both sides again, and please ask Exarius to save you the trouble in future, as this is, what, the fourth thread he's crapped on to slander me, forcing you to delete a range of posts and bits of posts? We've all got better things to do.

Edit: I've reported posts and directly messaged moderators, and heard nothing back whatever, and all this crap is still on the forum. I guess the rules about personal attacks have been suspended, so I don't mind the above retaliatory strike. But I'd rather see it all gone. What's it going to take, mods?

Personally I'd hardly say one village at the least each real life week is not too much, even for those that really hate villages and don't do influencing anyhow. And there is also those who arn't the avid "PvP'ers" who do enjoy the chance of a decent fight between groups without it always having to be in the form of a raid or no combat untill next month when another village might open up

So what do you guys think?

A village revolts an average of once a week (not hard coded: sometimes a few revolt, sometimes none, but overall, average= 1)


As for time limit: About 20 minutes of work if the other side doesn't put up much of a fight, 1-2 hours average for heated 1 vs 1 competition and a max of 3 hours total if all 4 nations were competing and in close deadlock (will never happen, but it sets a nice range).

Meanwhile, we lighten up on the folks who don't want to influence (it's MUCH better to work on training/empowering/leading the ones that do than trying to push someone who'd rather just hunt Scholars)

20 minutes is way fast. I like 1-3 hours as an inside-outside range. Come on, one hour a week isn't much...

I barely get an hour free to spend in Lusternia continuously. Well, that's a lie, I do. I just don't have the motivation at the moment.

First, this is a load of . Gwylifar has never done anything even remotely like what you accuse him of.

Second, Your attempts to make him look bad are really disgusting, and say a whole lot more about you than they do about him.

Third, your obsession with Gwylifar is becoming creepy to the point that soon I'm going to start becoming concerned for our personal safety outside the realm.

Get over yourself and get on with your life.

And just stop talking about Gwylifar at all, since you seem incapable of doing so without pathetic slanders and personal attacks.

And moderators, if Gwylifar's more moderate post doesn't get you off your asses, I'm hoping this one will. Gwylifar has done nothing to Exarius to earn this regular stream of slander, and I am formally requesting that you do your jobs and tell him to just stop talking about Gwylifar if he can't do it without slandering or attacking him. Oh, and while you're at it, how about deleting all the posts that treat on this because they don't add anything positive to the forum?

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~