I gotta say though, it makes more sense for breaknose to be the one with stun.
Whacking someone's leg and knocking them isn't really something that you'd think would have a stunning effect, nor breakchest. Loss of balance, yes, but stun?

Anyway, that's more a realism comment than actual balancing.

I do find the abundance of stun in Lusternia a little.. cheapening, in a way. I guess. Hehe, it's like Lusternia is the extreme IRE world, where races have massive stats, people can have massive hitpoints, deal huge damage, have numerous passive effects, earn huge amounts of gold (but pay huge amounts for credits) and pull off attacks that make other IRE players drool, heh.
there's MORE.

yeh, the reason for these awesome moves is that they are regulated by power.

The reason knockdown used to knock off balance, and now stun, is to stop people from standing straight away, negating the skill. Same reason they gave twirl cudgel a stun, to keep them in a tree for a second more, etc.

Knockdown was changed from knocking off balance because it stacked and you could do knockdown while prone (i think geb's got an old old log of me just whoring it before i learnt how to fight)

If you change it to knock off balance, its a serious nerf. Knockdown is FINE as is, its the rest of the skills

The stunning is indeed a bit extreme, but it should also be kept in mind that Murphy is the top of the top - I'd like to see logs of mediocre BC's and see how they fare. Because right now, all I see on the forums regarding the overpoweredness of BCs are based all off on Murphy.

We're the hardcore S&M fetish site of the-

Oh, screw it, I am not going to finish that comparison.

yeh, someone post a log where they've fought shiro, caducus or leef where they've gotten their ass kicked from stun and bashbrain?

In fact, post a log where you have been bashbrained by someone apart from me.

BC is not overpowered, I am, my hammers are 242 and 250 precision, with wounding runes. I have 14 str and a lvl 3 balance.

I'm going to hurt you on wounds, the stun is on breaknose is excessive, but that's it.

Terenas already posted a log. Been done, already proven. (On the blackout part actually.) Hopefully that is corrected now. Still need to fix the stun though.

ahh i said post a log on bashbrain

I didn't log it, but I arena sparred Shiro and for the first time ever, was unable to kill him because he stunned me every 4 seconds through the Nose, Gut, Knockdown... sucked

gut doesn't stun...

my point if you didn't die from it, the breaknose shouldn't stun but the rest of the offence is fine

He meant chest.

Bonecrusher is overpowered.

It is not "just Murphy."

No ceres, the ONLY thing about bonecrusher that is overpowered is breaknose. Thats it, that's all.

I don't use breakrips as part of my offence.

You're simply wrong.

I fail to see how Bonecrusher is overpowered when me and Murphy already said we wanted break nose's stun to be removed. Blademasters have breakchest which stuns just like Bonecrushers, so that has nothing to do with it.

ceres, you need to back your statements up

before the recent changes, BC weren't overpowered at all.

recent changes were to breaknose and blackout

blackout got fixed, breaknose is pending.

Therefore, BC is fine.


On another point wasn'tg it you that was hoping so desperatley that celestines would get a passive transfix? That just highlights your lack of objectivity

I don't bother backing up my statements with you because they are largely self-evident.

Even if I take the time to do so, you inevitably just ignore them and restate your original point.

When you learn to hold a rational debate, I will start backing my statements up.

Um, you can't have a debate when two people just say, paraphrased:

"I'm right, you're wrong."
"Nu uh! I'M right, YOU'RE wrong."
"STFU noob!"
"OMGDIE!"
"So, anyway, I'm right, you're wrong."

And so on.

That's exactly my point.

No we don't. Blademasters have Puncture chest, which induces blackout and bleeding. We also have Puncture lung which causes very fast endurance drain, and collapsed lungs, which does everything puncture lung does plus not being able to smoke. If you don't know what skills a particularly archetype has or what they do, then please do not post so in an attempt to mislead the public, or make yourself look completely clueless.

My mistake, I thought it said Blademaster had a stun with them, and remember someone telling me it had a stun