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Ixion, please first pay attention to what actually happened, before you start posting about dominance and such. Simply put, stun and blackout are overly done in this realm. It degrades combat down into something that lacks any tactics, but only requires you to hit the macro to perform the overpowered attacks.

See Daevos's post in the other thread. He hit the nail on the head.
Edit: If anything it's a compliment to Narsrim since he is a solid fighter and doesn't die 1v1 too often. Nice hijack though Geb.

oi gebbers, dont be a hater!

i don't just mash macroes etc, you seem to be on a smear campaign against me because I'm using bonecrusher stuff to the best possilbe ends, it may be 'overpowered' but don't degare it into hating on people

Read my statement. I said having stun and blackout overly done in the realm leads to combat losing any need for tactics here. It does eventually breakdown to the fighter only needing to mash macros for the win. Nothing in my statement said that you only did that.

Not smearing anything, just stating the facts. If you can't handle the facts, then that is just a problem you have to deal with. It matters not how tactically proficient you are, since someone who lacks any offensive tactical proficiency can accomplish the same thing. Really, if you want your skill to be truly accepted for what it is, you would be agreeing that the over use of stun and blackout obscures your actual combat ability.

Fight is usual fare. Speech is amusing.

Narsrim's curing certainly needs a big chunk of improvement, but with those unavoidable crushes, I doubt even that would have helped a lot.

Suggestions: Remove stun on breakchest and breaknose, and make knockdown swings-only.



Sounds like a swing to me!

Also:



Have to admit that's just wrong.

Crushing through shield may be debatable. Crushing through Prismatic, though, is a whole different thing.

For its price, crush should either be stronger OR hit through shield/prismatic, not both.

You can hit through prismatic with crush?

Same with lunge.

Eww.

YES.

Something should be done about Breakchest and Breaknose maybe, but with Knockdown hell No.

Tsk, Shiro. Back to bed.

The grownups are speaking.

Psh, coming from someone who would want to see Bonecrusher, as nothing more then a useless skillset? No thanks

What would you suggest to fix the current problem, then?

Remove stun from broken nose and make broken chest swing only. Have another cure for blackout and do nothing with knockdown

Sure, I'll take that.

I've said that in a few threads but i'll say it again. I makes me feel dirty with the overuse of blackout and stun.

Honestly, I was happy with BC the way it way minus a few things like burstorgans (which didn't get fixed) and the arm afflictions, but i can live with that.

Breaknose shouldn't stun, i suggest making it stack a bit of bleeding instead, works well for me.

Having knockdown as a swing would simply just BLOW, unless you made swings hit the leg 75% ond ONE other limb 25%, that would be ok if you had to do it.

There is balancing, and there is nerfing the whole damn skillset. heh

Anyway, thats my opinoins and suggestion, but it won't get changed unless you envoys get on the boards and rally it

you lazy lazy bastards, never take suggestions, people like narsrim doing poor reports thrown togtehr in 5 minutes, geeez.

EDIT: That being said, i see geb's point that if ANYONE can whore the cheap moves for the win, then someone with a lot of skill using the skills to their best effect in combination with other moves, is cheapened. Kinda like axe-stun whoring etc.

I can say with certainty that we now see eye to eye on the subject.