I am an ass because I point out the truth? Or is it just that you have a fragile ego? Anything said by someone that goes counter to what you want to believe will harm it?

no, but i still take pride in my weapons and they are the best in the basin

if you want to try and get these, lets see you forge, if not then leave the issue alone

Bah, I will leave it alone. So much that could be ripped apart, but I will stand down.

Quite apart from Murphy being wrong, he's used the word "asshole".

This is something that I had censored and was warned for even mixing up the letters. Same with Erion's "Mucking Forons".

Also, the changes made to forging (rapiers and hammers not having such high precision because they're supposed to be speed weapons) have passed over weapons forged before the time, allowing weapons like Murphy's to continue to exist. They will never even decay, being runed. 44/227/222 is ridiculous.

Aside from breaknose needing to be changed for no stun, Murphy's weapons are fine and I don't seem to have an issue handling them.

I can handle them, yes. Most competent fighters can.

But prosecuting a decent offence against them?

Not that hard for me, and I'm sure if you think on it you can aswell. Ask Amaru for help, I'm sure he'll teach ya.

People should not whine about one or two people able to make great use of a skillset. It's the same when people whine about Sacraments and Tarot when only one Celestine, Amaru, uses them well... the others are decent but nothing to be scared of, yet people whine about it also, when they shouldn't. The same for Murphy and others, you should respect how far they have come in developing their skills, especially when they even ask for downgrades to their own skillsets, don't keep harping on them.

yeh -rally ethelon-

And I runed my hammers because they were good. You shoul dbe thankful i downgraded my OWN flails from being excessive in damage to be more balanced. I did it for wounding and speed, but i could've kept them and damage whored.

Thing is, Ceres you said it well. My hammers are runed, you can't make any more like them. Therefore you have only to worry about me with insane hammers and no-one else

Heh. You said not long ago that you could not kill Shiro because every attack seemed to stun.

It is not just one or two people able to make great use of a skillset. As Terenas' log has shown, Leef (a non-combatant, in general) is well able to generate the same volume of stuns or blackouts. The only thing people whine exclusively about Amaru for is shieldstun/trueheal/soulless, which is a trick I do not use. Murphy has not developed his skills whatever, that I can see. There is no reason for him to have suddenly jumped in prowess since he made his switch. The fact is that the recent changes have overpowered Bonecrusher, a problem only aggravated by Murphy's switching to a race/weapon configuration that maximises the use of the things lately changed.

I have no illusions that you evened out your flails out of the kindness of your heart to attempt to be more balanced. If I am not mistaken, you did so shortly after the wounding changes made to-hit into precision and thus far more important, when before damage ruled.

The fact is that there's a reason you can no longer produce hammers like yours - they are overpowered. It's a fairly drastic change to make, totally altering the forging formula, and the admin would not have done it if there was not a serious problem.

If I got the power to zap people, it would not be balanced because I would be the only one who could do it. Stop using that argument.

ceres i've had those hammers and been using them since knighthood got changed to work on precision you goose.

I am more deadly because of my speed, the changes are hopefully being fixed. If i had not developed skills do you REALLY think i would be asking and hassling roark and hajamin to fix breaknose to not stun?

I already sped up the process with blackeye being moved, I am comfortable in my own skills with bonecrushing, I was more than happy with the way things were before the change to breaknose.

the main thing about faeling is the writhe speed and lvl 3 balance, which allows me to hit faster for less wounds. total wounding over time is the same, and 5 crusher from orclach is WAY more wounds than faeling.

Anyway, i'd like to see you become a decent bonecrusher Ceres with the way things are now. Try getting a double mangle or a kill with burstorgans, you'll see just how much skill you need.

bullcrap ceres. Its not like i have divine zap i only have good hammers.

I made my flail 138-170-170 or something similair, 170 precision is hardly massive wounding stats.

either way, no amount of bitching will get my hammers nerfed. ALL weapon stats, and ALL armour stats are left as is, like XP not being refunded. I forged them fair and square, paid money to rune them and spent long hours at the forge, they changed the forging formula after I made them, deal with it.

I'm heading out now so dont say any more nasty crap while i'm gone

EDIT: I kill you easier with my flails than I do my hammers, so whats to complain about? you should be thankful i'm using my hammers if i fight you

Found that Ethelon quote:

How much worse, then, would Murphy be?

I think you're a liar, Ethelon.

Touchy touchy. I said nothing about the hammers, Murphy. Just that you changed your flails after precision was implemented.

Yes, you are more deadly now because of your speed, and not some sudden developing of previously lacking skills. I don't see what your not having developed your skill has to do with you asking for changes to your skills.

It's hardly as if you're the only one who asked for blackout to be fixed. Thankfully the gods changed things rather quickly after they saw the logs and complaints posted here. If you are comfortable in your skills, I hardly think a reaction of this violence is needed.

Your speed as a faeling is such that wounding over time is much, much greater than before. Two of your crushes still get any given bodypart to critical.

I was a decent bonecrusher, Murphy, as you always seem to forget. I both double-mangled and killed many people with burstorgans and bashbrains. With the implementation of precision, this has only become easier.

I did not say that you had divine zap or anything like it. Merely that your claiming that the individuality of your overpoweredness makes it acceptable is equally absurd to my making a similar claim of an imagined ability to zap.

I have a suspicion that Roark would not have let you change your stats a greater amount than you have there, though really there was little danger of "damagewhoring" from you as you have never had 200+ damage weapons.

I'm not trying to get your hammers nerfed, merely questioning the reasoning of the admin who altered the forging formula to not allow weapons like them to be reforged, but left those already in existence (and not set to decay, due to artifact runes) as they are.

Your claim about armour stats being left the same is simply not true, as early in the game some superb sets of fullplate were forged. After the formula was changed so as not to allow this to happen, they were reduced in stats down to (I believe) 109/109. I do not deny that you have spend lots of time/money on getting your hammers they way they are, simply that "I spent alot of time on it" is similarly no excuse for something being overpowered. I remember you personally scoffing at this very argument when it was used to defend Demigod's ability to call divine fire.

None of what I have said is "nasty crap", as you put it. I see merely in the vehemence of your reaction further proof of the extent to which you dislike the truth being told about you and your abilities.

You ask me to "deal with it". If I do, you will only post again about how overpowered hangedman is.

It's fishy.

And you cannot compare that to xp refunds. Experience can be earned by anyone while nobody will get weapons like that anymore.

I doubt there's a policy about it like you're saying. Maybe they just let it go because those weapons aren't that great, but imagine if someone forged a fullplate and then they changed armors so you can only get half that protection max. I have no doubts they'd change existing pre-nerf ones as they wouldn't decay on their own.

Hehe. As I just editted in to my post, this exact thing happened at the start of the game.

Edit: Oh, and Sylphas - what do you think of my recent posts? I hope they conform to your exacting standards, though I won't go so far as to hope that you would state them a debate.

First things first, a good knight fighter has to have skill to be good with speed. When you don't do much damage up front, you have to have a lot of skill to pull it off. I never saw YOU use speed effectivley ceres, I don't remember fightyou you as an aslaran bonecrusher and if you did fight you never used hammers or speed tactics.

And I would also like to ask you to please read into things before posting. I did indeed have flails with a damage stat of 203, after precision was changed and warriors got a free customisation of stats. I made mine with the biggest damage stat I could get and a decent speed. I then paid again to have my weapons changed from the massive damage stat because it was too easy to kill people, and I wanted a challenge.

Yet again, the joke of all combat, Ceres, speaks....and we all laugh. The spar against Shiro was my first spar since switching to Nihilist, without many aliases. As a Shadow Dancer or most likely having all my aliases and setup of the Nihilist skillset I could have killed Shiro, I was using the example towards agreeing that break nose needs to be changed. As I said, aside from break nose needing to be changed, nothing is wrong with Murphy, he has earned his status as a top tier knight... while such cannot be said about you. Go back to being an aquamancer please, then I will have respect for you, since that really was the only class you did well with, everything else has been subpar.

She didn't do well an an Aquamancer. All she did was point staff. She has no skill, Eth

shhh, it was really the only way she ever killed people... gotta count for something right?

Actually, I saw her kill plenty of people as a Paladin- Bonecrusher. Use to come up on Deathsense pretty regularly. I also remember her asking people for duels, but many would refuse to fighter her. Give due where due is deserved; she did do pretty darn well as a Paladin-Bonecrusher.