Religion Planes and RP development

by Qaletaqa

Back to Common Grounds.

Lisaera2005-09-22 20:57:24
As far as I know, the DoC was dead by the time Glomdoring actually came into existence. Also, we never said they were wrong when they were doing it, but Glomdoring's rebirth as a commune under Viravain went in a different direction. It was a massive change in the commune as well as its first becoming a player organisation.
Rashidat2005-09-22 21:30:56
I think part of the RP is not knowing the absolute truth. Unless you are Divine, nothing your character claims to know is absolute. It is part of the "mortal condition." Use your best judgement.

I would hope the Admins would let you develope your own good roleplay, rather than making you beholden to their idiosynchratic vision of things. The DoC suffered because it was a player initiative never given official recognition. Trust that with 3 guilds and a city structure in place, they have given you the green light to Make Stuff Up.
Goyel2005-09-22 22:23:56
QUOTE(Rashidat @ Sep 22 2005, 04:30 PM)
I think part of the RP is not knowing the absolute truth. Unless you are Divine, nothing your character claims to know is absolute. It is part of  the "mortal condition." Use your best judgement.

I would hope the Admins would let you develope your own good roleplay, rather than making you beholden to their idiosynchratic vision of things. The DoC suffered because it was a player initiative never given official recognition. Trust that with 3 guilds and a city structure in place, they have given you the green light to Make Stuff Up.
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It was given recognition, but it didn't have player support. And though the gods recognized it, they werent ready for glom. They threw down the hammer.
Unknown2005-09-22 22:37:14
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 22 2005, 04:03 AM)
I think you also need to subscribe to the MSU standard of roleplaying. Make Stuff Up.
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badday.gif Small snide remarks like that are really not needed. >is an MSU student<
Qaletaqa2005-09-22 23:06:43
QUOTE(Kidaen @ Sep 22 2005, 04:58 AM)
This is an ongoing discussion and a point that's been plaguing celest for quite a while now. The supernals are half-formed, not Elder gods, like Lisaera. And to be quite honest, those "wax statues" are still a lot more then most cults and orders have to build their teachings around.
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So the Supernals, Demons, fae, and so forth are the half-formed gods that were left when Dynara left? Fascinating I didn't know that.
Qaletaqa2005-09-22 23:20:05
QUOTE(Anarias @ Sep 22 2005, 01:10 PM)
Qaletaqa mentioned holy scriptures so I'll throw in my two cents.  Originally, a great many of the books in the New Testament were letters written by Church authorities to congregations spread throughout the Mediterranean area.  Over time, those letters and epistles were collected and put together with other similar documents.  There were many instances in which the clergy got together to determine which books they would accept in the canon, meaning which books they accepted as official, and which they would not accept.  Martin Luther didn't accept the Book of James for instance if I recall correctly.  The point I'm making is that God didn't write any of the books personally and they were never intended to be taken as scriptural canon for centuries and centuries at the time they were written.

The point here as it relates to the issue at hand is that you do not need any of the Supernals to have scriptures.  These things can be created easily by your guild leaders.  There can be a special occasion wherein the leadership seeks the will and mind of the Supernals and then goes away for a time and when they come back, they've been hit with inspiration and they've written pages of scripture.  Easy as gathering supplicants.

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I like that idea where the leadership goes into meditation for said time and acquires inspiration from the Supernals.

This is all true however what is missing is that the New Testament was built off of a four fold path detailed by Jesus and many other religions called the four fold path or heart soul mind body. The fifth was salvation through Jesus. Right that being said Jesus as well as Buddah told people in different ways how to be a better person. It is easier to elaborate and be divinely inspired than to completely make an entire religion from scratch.

Yes, I know I was going to be hit with the creative stick from multiple people but I do not like the feeling that anything I do create will not go over well. It is just far more easier to get people involved in something that that they see than what they hear. I don't know if I am making excuses for why we don't have a religion or not but I am probably just whining because I just felt in a lot of ways it lacked the depth a god to bring.

Thanks for listening wub.gif
Shorlen2005-09-22 23:43:56
QUOTE(Marina_Whytetower @ Sep 22 2005, 06:37 PM)
badday.gif  Small snide remarks like that are really not needed.  >is an MSU student<
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Umm, MSU is a school? blink.gif I was making up a random TLA, as is my duty being both a nerd AND a former tech school attendee. Wasn't referring to any college or anything blink.gif
Suhnaye2005-09-22 23:52:02
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SU = Whatever State University........ Its generic, ya oughta know better!


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Jasper2005-09-23 00:18:43
QUOTE(Qaletaqa @ Sep 22 2005, 11:06 PM)
So the Supernals, Demons, fae, and so forth are the half-formed gods that were left when Dynara left? Fascinating I didn't know that.
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Fae are not half-formed - Fae were created by Sixth Circle. Supernals and Demon Lords are half-formed.
Shorlen2005-09-23 00:37:33
QUOTE(Jasper @ Sep 22 2005, 08:18 PM)
Fae are not half-formed - Fae were created by Sixth Circle. Supernals and Demon Lords are half-formed.
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They were? I thought they were completely different. They are the spirits of nature, not beings with physical forms. They got the physical bodies later, from Ellindel. I always saw them as a product of Lusternia's creation, a part of Lusternia itself, not created after the fact like the elder gods.
Jasper2005-09-23 00:59:53
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Sep 23 2005, 12:37 AM)
They were? I thought they were completely different. They are the spirits of nature, not beings with physical forms. They got the physical bodies later, from Ellindel. I always saw them as a product of Lusternia's creation, a part of Lusternia itself, not created after the fact like the elder gods.
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If you talk to Lisaera enough, and read the Book of Trillillial - or whatever Her name is - the Fae were created by the Sixth Circle, just like how the Great Nature Spirits were created. Lisaera mentioned to Jasper that She was the one who created the willowisp - so yes, Magnagora, you have reason to groan about Lisaera on wisp to an extent.
Unknown2005-09-23 10:35:10
The best part is, you can make stuff up, and then... when it doesn't work, you can change it and make up something else that does. smile.gif

My personal favorite:

ghelp nohardquestions

Please do not ask questions that are difficult to answer. If you've been
referred to this scroll, you have asked such a question. Soon, we will
make up an answer, please be patient.

The thing is, while this help scroll was written entirely with humorous intent, it's partially true.
Hajamin2005-09-23 12:29:42
QUOTE(Qaletaqa @ Sep 23 2005, 08:06 AM)
So the Supernals, Demons, fae, and so forth are the half-formed gods that were left when Dynara left? Fascinating I didn't know that.
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It has been said many times, I have even told(sometimes yelled) at Celest that the Supernals are not Divine, mearly Half-formed.

If you ever talk to Hajamin about them, He rarely refers to them as Demon Lord and Supernals, unless He needs to make sure you know which group He's talking about. While a religion and following is good, the half-formed are not Divine, and are far from perfect.

Half-formed, on the plane they were created on, have near god-like powers. They cannot exist off that plane that they were created on.
Ashteru2005-09-23 12:34:50
So that means if two or three Supernals would jump you on Celestia, they'd defeat you? biggrin.gif
Unknown2005-09-23 12:49:55
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Half-formed, on the plane they were created on, have near god-like powers. They cannot exist off that plane that they were created on.


Damn. I was hoping one day we'd have thaumaturges who could invoke these beings and bind them or exact tasks from them. Or maybe they can come here in "spirit form" or something--so if they are killed, it doesn't count as being truly "dead" like if you killed them on their own plane.

It would be cool if the guild heads could summon these masters in the heat of a big battle, at least for a short time (1-2 minutes).

So, just out of curiosity, how can the "lesser" angels and demons walk out of those places via summoning, while the big guys are trapped?
Acrune2005-09-23 13:39:50
I don't think they're trapped, they'd just rather be up there instead of on prime.
Jack2005-09-23 15:23:55
I always thought the Supernals could move about (but would be far weaker on Prime), and that Demon Lords were somehow trapped up in Nil to prevent them running amok on Prime. (I know for a fact Gorgulu would rather be munching on fae in Ethereal than sitting in his pit, for example.)
Unknown2005-09-23 15:46:32
I believe the reason the half-formed can't leave their planes of origin is because, while they can survive outside, they'll be driven mad and will probably go on a destructive rampage or something of the sort. It was pointed out somewhere in the histories if my memory isn't off. And some of the Elder Gods (was it the 2nd Circle?) are tasked with hunting down the half-formed that leave their home planes. A number of them did back before the Elder Wars, I think... blink.gif I could be wrong though. Probably am.
Unknown2005-09-23 16:10:07
QUOTE(Phred @ Sep 23 2005, 02:49 PM)
So, just out of curiosity, how can the "lesser" angels and demons walk out of those places via summoning, while the big guys are trapped?
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I'd think it's because they're not binded as much with the plane.
The power half-formed have is drawn from their plane but it comes with a cost - they're unable to leave.
Great power has a huge price, something like that.
Hajamin2005-09-23 16:37:58
QUOTE(Kashim @ Sep 24 2005, 01:10 AM)
I'd think it's because they're not binded as much with the plane.
The power half-formed have is drawn from their plane but it comes with a cost - they're unable to leave.
Great power has a huge price, something like that.
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Kind of, half-formed and Elder Gods were formed with the energy of the planes they were created in. Elder Gods matured and thier powers reached full potential. Half-formed are... well half-baked, and as such still draw their power from that plane. Think of it like a new born baby, they still need thier mother until their older.