Libraries

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Rhysus2005-09-23 14:12:41
QUOTE(Vesar @ Sep 23 2005, 07:54 AM)
Well, being from said nameless guild, I can assure you that those essays have been sitting in the guild library in magically preserved letters since they were written for this very purpose.  As soon as we got a real library, we imediately began working to move them over.

In addition, we have held several contests over the years to get good works ready for our library.  I don't know about you, but all I see is good planning.
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Quoted for emphasis. No one just took a bunch of random novice essays and threw them up into books. There has existed for a long time a Library of the Aquamancers, maintained by way of preserved letters previous to the implementation of the library system. The texts that were submitted to the Library were submitted purely -for- the Library. These essays are no different than the essay recently published by Nokraenom, and contain a relative quantity of information, if of a different subject matter.
Niara2005-09-23 14:13:37
Uhm, why don't you give it some time to develop? You people are always so quick to verbally destroy a concept before you even know how things work exactly.
Rhysus2005-09-23 14:14:41
QUOTE(Niara @ Sep 23 2005, 10:13 AM)
Uhm, why don't you give it some time to develop? You people are always so quick to verbally destroy a concept before you even know how things work exactly.
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I do know how it works exactly. I wouldn't bother saying anything otherwise.
Sylphas2005-09-23 14:17:33
I think it's one thing to have nasty critiques because Glomdoring said something you find insane and stupid, and quite another to critique a set of mediocre, requisite essays from novices. Having not seen them, I can only assume they're all on more or less the same topic, and all say pretty much the same thing, with a few twists here and there. This is the literary equivalent of publishing a completed math worksheet, and has no place in a serious library, besides for archiving.
Unknown2005-09-23 14:28:55
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 23 2005, 10:17 AM)
I think it's one thing to have nasty critiques because Glomdoring said something you find insane and stupid, and quite another to critique a set of mediocre, requisite essays from novices.  Having not seen them, I can only assume they're all on more or less the same topic, and all say pretty much the same thing, with a few twists here and there.  This is the literary equivalent of publishing a completed math worksheet, and has no place in a serious library, besides for archiving.
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Quoted for truth.

From what I heard from the Divine on the forums critiques were NOT for "ooh that person is insaine from what we go by" or "oh that person is a moondancer? BURN THE BOOK!"

and WERE for things like this.
Shiri2005-09-23 14:42:49
So wait, did I understand that right? Everyone else's UNpublished books (or...maybe I just understand this publishing thing wrong, whatever these books've had done to them - I thought publishing took a while longer) show up in our library as well as everyone else's? So what's the difference between our library and anyone else's?
Acrune2005-09-23 15:31:19
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 23 2005, 10:17 AM)
I think it's one thing to have nasty critiques because Glomdoring said something you find insane and stupid, and quite another to critique a set of mediocre, requisite essays from novices.  Having not seen them, I can only assume they're all on more or less the same topic, and all say pretty much the same thing, with a few twists here and there.  This is the literary equivalent of publishing a completed math worksheet, and has no place in a serious library, besides for archiving.
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I haven't read the books either, but they're not on the same topics, judging by the titles.
Sylphas2005-09-23 15:55:16
I've been reading through them. They're not as bad as I had thought, but some of them do need critiqued. The Ethereal Plane one was outdated before it was even published, has misspellings and grammar errors, and just sounds bad. A few others are basically just paraphrased help scrolls.
Acrune2005-09-23 16:03:27
Pah, spelling errors were published? Sloppy sloppy, Mr. Librarian. doh.gif
Hajamin2005-09-23 16:09:44
QUOTE(Shiri @ Sep 23 2005, 11:42 PM)
So wait, did I understand that right? Everyone else's UNpublished books (or...maybe I just understand this publishing thing wrong, whatever these books've had done to them - I thought publishing took a while longer) show up in our library as well as everyone else's? So what's the difference between our library and anyone else's?
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Archived books are in your library only, published books are in everyones.
Saran2005-09-23 16:55:31
two things
is it possible to restrict a published books access, because i'm not sure if the moondancers really want everyone to have a copy of the Breviary (though worshiping the moon is never bad)

and second certain helpfiles should be transfered over, not things like who has transed what skills but things like the breviary, guild histories etc.

ok thirdly please please please don't publish hundreds of useless things, otherwise this is just going to end up as another power conquest *shudders at the though of guilds requiring that their members write books as a requirement*
i might have missed it but i don't think there was anything like "A study of the planar flora", "something i'm reserving for lil' saran", "reflections on the divine", "The recent history of the basin"
I've got two things that i want two write up, and surprisingly there aren't any books that seem similar to either.

EDIT: btw the thirdly is due to Jay and Silent Bobs five movies that comprise the jersey trilogy (hehe)
Bau2005-09-23 16:59:06
QUOTE(Phred @ Sep 23 2005, 11:03 PM)
2)  Can a person get a library card from another city?  I'm thinking about getting a card for Celest and maybe Glomdoring (although they don't have a librarian yet).  Or is that redundant with the publishing process?
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We have a Librarian, thank you.
Kayde2005-09-23 17:15:34
QUOTE(Saran @ Sep 23 2005, 10:55 AM)

and second certain helpfiles should be transfered over, not things like who has transed what skills but things like the breviary, guild histories etc.



You can ARCHIVE those things. Archiving is putting them into YOUR library only.

Publishing is making them availible to ALL libraries, and availible for critique, and adds to your Culture score (I believe).

If you want to put things like novice essays, help scrolls, etc into your libraries, doso with ARCHIVE.

Don't litter everyone else's libraries with this stuff by PUBLISHING it.

Rhysus should have only ARCHIVED those novice scrolls for Celest's Library only, not Published them. The only reason I can see that he published them was for the culture score, since these guild novice essays would be of no real value to anyone except Aquamancers or Celest citizens.

In truth, he should have waited until the guild libraries were implemented to put guild related texts into them, but that is a decision for the city and their guilds to make reguarding archiving/publishing.


So to reiterate..
ARCHIVE = Your library only access
PUBLISH = EVERY libray access, critique, culture score.

Make sure your librarians are actually only publishing works that EVERYONE would want to read, and not just a small select group.

Qaletaqa2005-09-23 17:27:11
Well put your money where your mouth is and start publishing guild essays!
Kayde2005-09-23 17:30:38
QUOTE(Qaletaqa @ Sep 23 2005, 11:27 AM)
Well put your money where your mouth is and start publishing guild essays!
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Who is this to, and what are you talking about? If it's to me, then you totally missed the point of my post, and you should re-read it.

If its to someone else, you should specify who you are talking to.
Qaletaqa2005-09-23 17:32:16
Nah.
Estarra2005-09-23 17:37:57
QUOTE(Rhysus @ Sep 23 2005, 07:12 AM)
Quoted for emphasis. No one just took a bunch of random novice essays and threw them up into books. There has existed for a long time a Library of the Aquamancers, maintained by way of preserved letters previous to the implementation of the library system. The texts that were submitted to the Library were submitted purely -for- the Library. These essays are no different than the essay recently published by Nokraenom, and contain a relative quantity of information, if of a different subject matter.
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Just out of curiosity, why is an individual listed as the author and not the Aqumancer's Guild?
Rhysus2005-09-23 18:23:32
QUOTE(Estarra @ Sep 23 2005, 01:37 PM)
Just out of curiosity, why is an individual listed as the author and not the Aqumancer's Guild?
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The author is listed on the inside. They were all published prior to knowledge that organizational books could be archived.
Shamarah2005-09-23 19:08:04
I think that...

a) Perhaps longer books should be worth more culture points. It does seem rather silly that a short scroll is worth just as much as a 25-page treatise.
b) Having more books should boost your culture score more. It really shouldn't just be a set amount if we want the libraries to expand and grow.
Unknown2005-09-23 19:20:42
QUOTE(Rhysus @ Sep 23 2005, 12:23 PM)
The author is listed on the inside. They were all published prior to knowledge that organizational books could be archived.
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Perhaps those that we now know can be (and were meant to be....) archived could be moved to satisfy everyone? Since it was simply an error...