Nokraenom2005-09-24 06:39:32
Here is exactly why Rhysus published the essays separately instead of in 1 book:
HELP LIBRARIES:
There is currently -0- incentive to publish large books. If culture is determined by the rate of growth of the library, then it is of the most benefit to require novices to write essays and have them reviewed for spelling and grammar, and then publish them all. There is simply no reason not to.
I am disgusted because of what Rhysus has done. Nobody in Serenwilde, Magnagora, or Glomdoring wants to read some novice's opinion of how Lacostian is the perfect Patron for the Aquamancers, or other essays along those lines that are clearly tailored to appease guild superiors and meet basic requirements for advancement. That much is clear. I wouldn't care at all if these were published in a collective tome, but I shouldn't go to my library and to CATALOG SCHOLARLY and get this:
Out of all of these, the only one that is truly interesting is the one on Merian respiration. Most of these are in the 2-3 short paragraph range, there is very little real content, and as someone previously said, are largely summarized helpfiles.
As I said, if this is the intent, I will be more than glad to require all Magnagoran guilds to publish novice essays summarizing everything down to the last stone in Magnagora in separate scrolls. I don't think that is the intent, however, and something needs to be done to make it so that this is not an acceptable method of gaming the system to get more power.
HELP LIBRARIES:
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Culture is awarded for the size of each of these collections, the rate at
which the library grows, as well as the overall size of the library.
which the library grows, as well as the overall size of the library.
There is currently -0- incentive to publish large books. If culture is determined by the rate of growth of the library, then it is of the most benefit to require novices to write essays and have them reviewed for spelling and grammar, and then publish them all. There is simply no reason not to.
I am disgusted because of what Rhysus has done. Nobody in Serenwilde, Magnagora, or Glomdoring wants to read some novice's opinion of how Lacostian is the perfect Patron for the Aquamancers, or other essays along those lines that are clearly tailored to appease guild superiors and meet basic requirements for advancement. That much is clear. I wouldn't care at all if these were published in a collective tome, but I shouldn't go to my library and to CATALOG SCHOLARLY and get this:
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Book  Access   Author      Title        Annex       Â
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1   Public*   Nokraenom    The History of the E Great Necropolis Atr
7   Public*   Nokraenom    The Fateful Dissent: Great Necropolis Atr
13   Secret*   Rhysus      The History of the E Great Necropolis Atr
17   Restricted* Rhysus      A Celestine's Guide Great Necropolis Atr
42   Secret*   Rhysus      Flaws of the Old Cel Great Necropolis Atr
45   Restricted* Rhysus      Isune, Wings of Comp Great Necropolis Atr
48   Public*   Rhysus      A Discourse on Meria Great Necropolis Atr
51   Restricted* Rhysus      Celest and Its Guild Great Necropolis Atr
54   Public*   Rhysus      A Fire Affinity   Great Necropolis Atr
57   Secret*   Rhysus      The Powers of Water Great Necropolis Atr
60   Secret*   Rhysus      The Celestines    Great Necropolis Atr
63   Secret*   Rhysus      The Aquamancer's Con Great Necropolis Atr
69   Secret*   Rhysus      The Ethereal Plane  Great Necropolis Atr
72   Secret*   Rhysus      Kinds of Gods    Great Necropolis Atr
75   Secret*   Rhysus      A Comparison of the Great Necropolis Atr
78   Secret*   Rhysus      The Positive Outcome Great Necropolis Atr
81   Secret*   Rhysus      The Paladins of New Great Necropolis Atr
87   Secret*   Rhysus      A Study on Emperor L Great Necropolis Atr
90   Secret*   Rhysus      High Magic      Great Necropolis Atr
96   Secret*   Rhysus      The Taint      Great Necropolis Atr
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Book  Access   Author      Title        Annex       Â
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1   Public*   Nokraenom    The History of the E Great Necropolis Atr
7   Public*   Nokraenom    The Fateful Dissent: Great Necropolis Atr
13   Secret*   Rhysus      The History of the E Great Necropolis Atr
17   Restricted* Rhysus      A Celestine's Guide Great Necropolis Atr
42   Secret*   Rhysus      Flaws of the Old Cel Great Necropolis Atr
45   Restricted* Rhysus      Isune, Wings of Comp Great Necropolis Atr
48   Public*   Rhysus      A Discourse on Meria Great Necropolis Atr
51   Restricted* Rhysus      Celest and Its Guild Great Necropolis Atr
54   Public*   Rhysus      A Fire Affinity   Great Necropolis Atr
57   Secret*   Rhysus      The Powers of Water Great Necropolis Atr
60   Secret*   Rhysus      The Celestines    Great Necropolis Atr
63   Secret*   Rhysus      The Aquamancer's Con Great Necropolis Atr
69   Secret*   Rhysus      The Ethereal Plane  Great Necropolis Atr
72   Secret*   Rhysus      Kinds of Gods    Great Necropolis Atr
75   Secret*   Rhysus      A Comparison of the Great Necropolis Atr
78   Secret*   Rhysus      The Positive Outcome Great Necropolis Atr
81   Secret*   Rhysus      The Paladins of New Great Necropolis Atr
87   Secret*   Rhysus      A Study on Emperor L Great Necropolis Atr
90   Secret*   Rhysus      High Magic      Great Necropolis Atr
96   Secret*   Rhysus      The Taint      Great Necropolis Atr
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Out of all of these, the only one that is truly interesting is the one on Merian respiration. Most of these are in the 2-3 short paragraph range, there is very little real content, and as someone previously said, are largely summarized helpfiles.
As I said, if this is the intent, I will be more than glad to require all Magnagoran guilds to publish novice essays summarizing everything down to the last stone in Magnagora in separate scrolls. I don't think that is the intent, however, and something needs to be done to make it so that this is not an acceptable method of gaming the system to get more power.
Unknown2005-09-24 06:55:48
I'm confused, are they actually published or just in the Celest library?
Shiri2005-09-24 06:56:43
The asterisk indicates "published."
Bau2005-09-24 07:03:13
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72  Secret*  Rhysus     Kinds of Gods    Great Necropolis Atr
An entire essay on that? Does anyone really know enough about them eo publish an ENTIRE essay?
Unknown2005-09-24 07:04:33
I do hope the History of the Elder Wars is reset so that no individual organization benefits from it.
Shiri2005-09-24 07:05:42
Yeah, that one bugged me a little. 
Tsakar2005-09-24 10:33:58
Not saying whether its right or not, but I believe Estarra (?) had said something about the cities/communes to appoint their librarians and the first city/commune to publish it would get the credit (*nudge shiribot*)
Shiri2005-09-24 10:36:11
Sylphas2005-09-24 13:35:51
She did, but it sounded as if she said, "Yes, you can do it," more than any actual endorsement of what was meant to happen. Since it's a book, it can be published, and they never thought of making it non-publishable, like they probably should.
Unknown2005-09-24 15:03:45
They published it first, they should get the credit for it. They've also been the first to translate most of the pages, I think.
Shiri2005-09-24 15:39:10
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Sep 24 2005, 04:03 PM)
They published it first, they should get the credit for it. They've also been the first to translate most of the pages, I think.
191583
There have been two pages so far...and I was first to translate one of them. Sooo no.
Shorlen2005-09-25 22:25:48
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Sep 24 2005, 09:35 AM)
She did, but it sounded as if she said, "Yes, you can do it," more than any actual endorsement of what was meant to happen. Since it's a book, it can be published, and they never thought of making it non-publishable, like they probably should.
191539
Isn't Plagerism a valid thing to critique for?
Bau2005-09-25 23:05:26
As long as you spell it right.
Plagiarism!
Plagiarism!
Xenthos2005-09-28 01:29:24
**********The Culture of the Righteous Principality of New Celest**********
Largest Library: 300
Fastest Growing Library: 300
Credibility Rating: 300 (+150 Credibility Bonus)
Most Scholarly Library: 300
Most Literary Library: 300
Cultural Activity: 262 (26%)
Visiting Scholars: 1
Cultural Center Bonus: 1000
Now, a successful critique loses them 25 power each day, and they get an extra 1,000 power each day. Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE of those books is SUCCESSFULLY critiqued, they gain a ton... just a question, what is the incentive to not game the system by just flooding with tons of books?
Largest Library: 300
Fastest Growing Library: 300
Credibility Rating: 300 (+150 Credibility Bonus)
Most Scholarly Library: 300
Most Literary Library: 300
Cultural Activity: 262 (26%)
Visiting Scholars: 1
Cultural Center Bonus: 1000
Now, a successful critique loses them 25 power each day, and they get an extra 1,000 power each day. Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE of those books is SUCCESSFULLY critiqued, they gain a ton... just a question, what is the incentive to not game the system by just flooding with tons of books?
Unknown2005-09-28 02:16:36
There is no incentive at this stage, Xen, from a metagaming point of view. The only reason I can come up with is if the Librarian actually cares about the quality of the work.
I think the admins give us too much credit, expecting us to act decently and all.
I think the admins give us too much credit, expecting us to act decently and all.
Estarra2005-09-28 02:24:45
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Sep 27 2005, 06:29 PM)
Now, a successful critique loses them 25 power each day, and they get an extra 1,000 power each day. Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE of those books is SUCCESSFULLY critiqued, they gain a ton... just a question, what is the incentive to not game the system by just flooding with tons of books?
If 20 books are successfully critiqued, the credibility would be -350 (150-500) for an entire year, which not only negates the +300 power for having the fastest growing library but actually be a net -50. It would also most likely prevent becoming the cultural center for that year, ensuring someone else would get that 1000 power bonus. As a more extreme example, flooding with 100 bogus books could certainly backfire because if they all are successfully critiqued, you'd have a net crediblity score of -2350 which could conceivably DRAIN power from the nexus for an entire year.
Is there really not enough of an incentive?
Xenthos2005-09-28 02:27:46
QUOTE(Estarra @ Sep 27 2005, 10:24 PM)
If 20 books are successfully critiqued, the credibility would be -350 (150-500) for an entire year, which not only negates the +300 power for having the fastest growing library but actually be a net -50. It would also most likely prevent becoming the cultural center for that year, ensuring someone else would get that 1000 power bonus. As a more extreme example, flooding with 100 bogus books could certainly backfire because if they all are successfully critiqued, you'd have a net crediblity score of -2350 which could conceivably DRAIN power from the nexus for an entire year.
Is there really not enough of an incentive?
Is there really not enough of an incentive?
194194
When the flooding gains them a cultural bonus of +1,000... for the next year until the next library updates... (and it already gained them +1,000), isn't that overcoming the -50-per-day-loss? By quite a bit, even.
That's a positive 950 gain until the next update.
Corr2005-09-28 02:30:50
The current system sounds like it will get a large amount of mediocre books and very few good books.
There should be some extra points for pages.
Or perhaps a way of keeping track how many books get checked out by -DIFFERENT- people and adding 1 power for each of those plus the cost of checking out a book, or something.
Use of the library and some measure of effort put into books would be good.
There should be some extra points for pages.
Or perhaps a way of keeping track how many books get checked out by -DIFFERENT- people and adding 1 power for each of those plus the cost of checking out a book, or something.
Use of the library and some measure of effort put into books would be good.
Shiri2005-09-28 02:31:51
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 28 2005, 03:30 AM)
Or perhaps a way of keeping track how many books get checked out by -DIFFERENT- people and adding 1 power for each of those plus the cost of checking out a book, or something.
194202
I like that one. Or something similar.
Corr2005-09-28 02:35:23
It would have to be slightly different, otherwise I imagine a new law will pass, you May draw as much power as you wish, however you must check out as many books as you drew.
