My God, will wonders never cease?

First Guido agree's with Narsrim... then Guido comes up with something which actually makes sense and is relevant to the topic?

heh you can tank worldburn?

Having not read the whole thread..

Glometh/Sereneth:
- guards at Avatars, Aspects
- totems
- one entrance, not avoidable via cubix
- everyone can reach ethereal

Celestia/Nil
- cubix entrance that avoids guards
- guards can -only- be placed at the Nexus
- no statues
- no guards at Supernals/Demon Lords
- knights cannot reach cosmic on their own (without going over eth and elemental)

Also.. should the Avatars fall it does not have such a big impact on the commune as when Demon Lords/Supernals are killed.

With the right setup of totems and guards Glom and Seren eth can be as good as impossible to raid. Cosmic.. cubix in and happily slay Demons or Angels, no guards, no statues, defenders can't demesne summon since that would insta enemy them.

Need I say more?

I can tank it

I like the idea of making cosmic defenders conglutinate, be it by default or through an investable power.
In my opinion it's better to encourage people to go and defend than to add more deafult features to make raiding even more difficult and painful.

But I strongly dislike the idea of disabling raiders' conglutination. Why?

1. Off-plane raiding is more imporant than village raiding, imho. Assaulting supernals is quite essential to us. It's high calling, it involves our ideals, not only economy.
2. Off-plane is supposed to be PvP friendly. Yes, you pray if you die in enemy village, but it's prime material plane. I want to conglutinate in Celestia, that is how the goddamn skill works.

Even though, I have to agree that there's probably an overall imbalance experience-wise, too many people have ways to avoid any bigger experience loss (basically everyone with conglutinate) and have to pray only occasionally, which allows them to go up in titan's direction even when participating in combat a lot.
I'm not sure about it, it's not my job to judge that, but that's the impression I have.

But still, no to conglutination preventing.

I propose to nerf conglutination overall instead. At least double conglutination's experience loss, that way it will actually add up to the significant amount after few deaths (for example if you keep coming back to battle).

's why I said....'look for more elegant solutions'. Really, it's like you would lose the Supernals daily. ...


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Oh hell, wait.


Anyway, make Statues and/or Guards placeable at least at the pillars and/or the supernals. Would make things sooo much easier, and it wouldn't take away something that I hold dear. *strokes conglutinate*

Did I actually ever tell you how much I hate you? *peers at sig*
If not, now you know it.
And damn, that quote would've made sense 2 or three pages earlier...not in the middle of some completely different debate when he posted it.


EDIT: I made quite an ass of myself today. I can rest assured, at least some persons hate me now. Good for my ego, bad for my karma.

I just think it's funny that the communes seem to have it far easier to defend their part of Ethereal then we have to defend Cosmic.

EDIT: Basically all we -can- do it burn, since raids usually happen when close to no defenders are around. Also, what does it matter when the Avatars die? Yet if a Supernal/Demon Lord dies, you lose a lot of power each IG day. Aside from the fact that a whole guild becomes useless for combat.

Since the death of Supernals/Demon Lords has a much bigger impact on the situation as a whole, I would expect us to have a lot more possibilities to defend them like guards or statues.. but apparently Guardians are just a class that's supposed to be screwed.

I can tank worldburn, Alger. I have to sip health, eat berry, and use waxing every possible time I can with maiden up and mother fae healing me. However, I can just -barely- do it.

It should be in Celestialism/Nihilism, the basic abilities with/before wings. Conglute on your cosmic plane.

It's kind of pointless.

I'd prefer to have buffs and bonuses on cosmic.

Not that this compares, or anything, but I know the SD's lose some of their fae when the avatars are down, and we do actually gain power when the avatars are up. Sure, totems and the drums and all that still add power, but when you add into that guards and drawing and stuff....

We lost 20k power quite recently, it hurts.


DON'T YELL. I know y'all have worse problems, but when yer little like us, it STILL HURTS.

I like idea, to allow defenders conglutinate on cosmic plabe when defending. It would be much easier for Celest as we dont have many people with Conglutination.

And if someone is dying 5th time and when he dont have conglutinate there, he dont have will to come back and defend and even may want to stop playing.

Allow attackers conglutinate if they have trans planar, they spended 300cr on it they deserve it, but give same possibility to defenders.
Its much easier to defend village or city if you can conglutinate.

What's up Narsrim, Aetolian forums too boring for you?

Following him around asking questions like these is probably the worst way to get rid of him if that's what you want.

Spoken like someone who has trans planar. Do you have trans planar?

Really, how do you convince a city full of low end fighters that they should throw away hours of bashing for one death to a group they cannot hope to kill even by slow attrition?

They really are! I'm so disappointed there. In any case as I said, Narsrim isn't gone. He's taking a vacation. I still love Lusternia combat because it is like a bazillion times more indepth that Aetolia... but I also am (to the shock of some) a hardcore roleplay at times... and I have like 4 major projects going on right now that could turn into big scale events if I play them right. I like that power. I like that influence.

Plus, Narsrim is kinda boring. What is he going to do? I'm a good combatant. I can say that for the most part, I can put up a good fight against anyone 1-on-1. I've seen the death of all 5 demon lords and killed about 8-10 total so far... I've killed all three night avatars... there is like nothing big left for me to kill. There is no opponent left to beat (I did finally beat Amaru in a spar). I guess I could go for demigod cause I am like 89.90... but what then? I mean even Aesyra is bored with it and she was the first.

I do.

But it's not the reason I said that. It only helps guardians, while members of all guilds help to defend Cosmic plane just as well, so it doesn't really address the problem. Few guardians alone won't stop a raid, I'm for making every defender conglutinate.

Someone suggested making it a discretionary power. That sounds okay.

Okay, you can linger around some longer, though I should keep count of how often you post the amount of demon lords and avatars you've killed, I should have probably memorized that by now.



You could roleplay.

Once you think you've achieved everything there is to achieve, only roleplay is left, it's the same in every IRE game, or any roleplaying game for that matter. Big people go inactive only because they haven't build up any roleplay to draw enjoyment from.