Richter2005-09-27 18:30:16
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Sep 27 2005, 10:22 AM)
I will defend Richter for once. He is perfectly right - in the business world, one must conform. Richter is borderline centrist/right, if my mark is right, which it tends to be. But that's also his environment - he lives with his parents, and works for a big-wig insurance firm.
193831
You're the last person I'd expect to understand me or my views. You're pretty much spot on though.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:30:19
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 01:26 PM)
I was actually basing that off of several things I've read or watched, not my own opinion (that actually -is- my opinion, but I've formed it from the things I've read or watched).
It was something like from Donald Trump, or some show on PBS. No, I don't remember exactly, and I can't really back it up, but I'd love to see someone actually dispute it, other than by saying "that thinking is really old", because it's not.
And it's not fair to knock me on that. Why do you consider me a conformist anyway? Do you have any evidence to back it up? Or did that idea come to you in the form of a long brown piece of excrement? Conformist? Hardly. If you knew anything about me, you'd realize that wasn't true.
So really, don't post about things you know nothing about. Thanks.
It was something like from Donald Trump, or some show on PBS. No, I don't remember exactly, and I can't really back it up, but I'd love to see someone actually dispute it, other than by saying "that thinking is really old", because it's not.
And it's not fair to knock me on that. Why do you consider me a conformist anyway? Do you have any evidence to back it up? Or did that idea come to you in the form of a long brown piece of excrement? Conformist? Hardly. If you knew anything about me, you'd realize that wasn't true.
So really, don't post about things you know nothing about. Thanks.
193836
True or not, you've struck me as a conformist. You twist and form yourself to the public opinion. Which I'm not saying is a good or bad thing - it is necessary, especially in the business world, to get places. But you are a conformist.
Richter2005-09-27 18:32:34
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Sep 27 2005, 10:30 AM)
True or not, you've struck me as a conformist. You twist and form yourself to the public opinion. Which I'm not saying is a good or bad thing - it is necessary, especially in the business world, to get places.  But you are a conformist.
193840
Richter is a conformist, because he has to be.
I however, am not. My teachers/parents can tell you that I go my own way, and don't give a damn if it conflicts with everyone else's point of view.
I'll try to dig up that article, and ignore the replies I'm probably going to get to my previous post. People must be taking lessons from you on how to push my buttons.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:32:44
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 01:28 PM)
WHA? I never knew Bill Gates was a right wing christain republican, or Steve Jobs, or George Lucas. All well known for their evil corprate activities.
193837
Bill Gates has never done one evil, corporate thing! He is a true, PURE man. Power to the liberals.
This is where my liberterian self shows through - Bill Gates runs a business. When one does this, they are trying to be the BEST. This DOES include running a 'monopoly'. Which is totally cool, IMO, as long as they aren't trying to gouge customers on the rebound.
Singollo2005-09-27 18:33:23
Actually, Richter, by your attitudes and previous rants is what I based it off of. If I had the time to peruse the forums, I'd glady throw this "long brown piece of excrement" back under your nose. But then I don't want to be snotty.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:33:29
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 01:32 PM)
Richter is a conformist, because he has to be.
I however, am not. My teachers/parents can tell you that I go my own way, and don't give a damn if it conflicts with everyone else's point of view.
I'll try to dig up that article, and ignore the replies I'm probably going to get to my previous post. People must be taking lessons from you on how to push my buttons.
I however, am not. My teachers/parents can tell you that I go my own way, and don't give a damn if it conflicts with everyone else's point of view.
I'll try to dig up that article, and ignore the replies I'm probably going to get to my previous post. People must be taking lessons from you on how to push my buttons.
193843
It's not hard. You're like a TV - any two year old and press that button.
Corr2005-09-27 18:33:39
QUOTE(Singollo @ Sep 27 2005, 06:23 PM)
But wait. If it took me longer to dress than someone, and I picked out my clothes with just as much care, in fact they look the same, if not more formal, took more time to care for my hair, filed my nails more delicately then by that definition I look more professional professional than them, despite having a facial piercing?
193832
Suits don't give people nightmares, and piercings are nomrally a sign of youthfull rebelion, not something you want people thinking about you in a working environment.
Odds are people won't take any original ideas you have seriously because they will assume your just saying it to cause trouble.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:35:29
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 01:33 PM)
Suits don't give people nightmares, and piercings are nomrally a sign of youthfull rebelion, not something you want people thinking about you in a working environment.
Odds are people won't take any original ideas you have seriously because they will assume your just saying it to cause trouble.
Odds are people won't take any original ideas you have seriously because they will assume your just saying it to cause trouble.
193848
I imagine you take this to heart. I've yet to see a single, positive post from you on any thread. In fact, all I've seen are necro-like posts to insult people. Grow up!
Corr2005-09-27 18:39:32
Wha? Insult people? Negetive?
Its human pyschology, don't be mad at me for telling you how it is.
Kids with piercings get less respect for their ideas then kids in business suits in a workplace environment.
I would probabbly bet that someone who wore a business suit and had an uninteresting haircut but also had a piercing would be received the same way as someone else wearing that. I'm also guessing most people won't notice the piercing in that case.
Its human pyschology, don't be mad at me for telling you how it is.
Kids with piercings get less respect for their ideas then kids in business suits in a workplace environment.
I would probabbly bet that someone who wore a business suit and had an uninteresting haircut but also had a piercing would be received the same way as someone else wearing that. I'm also guessing most people won't notice the piercing in that case.
Richter2005-09-27 18:40:48
http://www.businessweek.com/careers/conten..._5682_ca026.htm
This isn't the article I'm looking for, but it does talk about one of the questions on The Apprentice application being "do you have tattoos or piercings". But surely, a nobody like Donald Trump's opinion doesn't matter, right?
This isn't the article I'm looking for, but it does talk about one of the questions on The Apprentice application being "do you have tattoos or piercings". But surely, a nobody like Donald Trump's opinion doesn't matter, right?
Ashteru2005-09-27 18:41:37
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 05:48 PM)
Edit: I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on what percentage of people remove piercings or regret tattoos when they get older.
193815
Firstly, to comment on that:
My Father is 43 and has ~15 tattoos and 2 piercings.
My mother is 43 and has around ~10 tattoos.
My father is a middle ranked Soldier, my mother the principal of her school. Not that bad for someone with abnormal looks, hm?
Well, and I couldn't be arsed to still apply for a job if they won't take me because of my looks. Maybe that's the reason I want to become teacher. I can look the way I want and I can influence younger generations to do my bidding.
Richter2005-09-27 18:45:41
http://www.hirestandard.com/
Here are just a few common "unprofessional" decisions candidates make.
1. Carrying a backpack or fannypack instead of a briefcase or portfolio.
2. Sunglasses on top of your head or headphones around your neck. Be sure to remove all your "transit gear" and tuck it in your briefcase before entering the lobby.
3. Too-short skirts. Forget what some of those gals on the Apprentice are wearing. Your skirt should cover your thighs when you are seated.
4. The wrong tie. Ties should be made of silk, no less than 3 1/4 inches wide with a conservative pattern. Image consultants say the best colors are red or burgundy. Later on, once you've proven how invaluable you are, you can show your true colors.
5. Overly bright or large-patterned clothing. With the possible exception of creative fields like advertising or computer programming, it's best to stick with navy, black or gray.
6. Heavy make-up on women (or any makeup on a man).
7. Earrings on men. (In fact, men should avoid wearing any jewelry unless it is a wedding ring, class ring or metal watch.)
8. More than one set of earrings on women.
9. Facial piercings, tongue jewelry or visible tattoos.
10. Ill-fitting clothes. Few people can wear things straight off the rack. Spending a little extra to have your garments tailored is a worthwhile investment.
11. Extreme fingernails, especially with bright or specialty polishes. Nails should look clean and be trimmed to a length that doesn't leave an observer questioning if you can manage a keyboard easily.
12. Unnatural hair colors or styles. Remember, Donald Trump was a billionaire well before he began wearing an orange comb-over. If you're balding, try a close-cropped cut like Bruce Willis or Matt Lauer.
13. Short-sleeved shirts, even worse when worn with a tie. (Unless you accessorize with a plastic pocket protector.)
14. Fishnets, patterned hosiery or bare legs (no matter how tan you are). Women should stick with neutral color hosiery that complements your suit.
15. Men whose socks don't match... their shoes, or whose socks are too short and leave a gap of flesh when they are seated. Or worse, whose socks just don't match.
16. Rumpled or stained clothing. Try not to look like you just got out of bed. If interviewing late in the day, try to change to a fresh suit beforehand.
17. Scuffed or inappropriate footwear, including sneakers, stilettos, open-toed shoes and sandals. Open toed shoes with "scuffed" nails are especially bad news.
18. Strong scents (aftershaves, perfumes or colognes.) At least one of our clients has a scent-free office. Many people are allergic to certain scents. For a subtle fragrance, use a good quality bath soap.
19. Belts and shoes that don't match. Shoes and belts should be made of leather or leather-like materials and the best colors for men are black or cordovan. Worse yet, white shoes and belt for that Palm Beach look.
20. Telltale signs that you are wearing a new suit. Remove all tags and extra buttons - and remember to cut off the zigzag thread that keeps pockets and slits closed! This is especially embarrasing when you go to slip an important document into that inside pocket... and the pocket is sewn shut.
I don't think I'm going to find what I was looking for (I think it might have actually been a TV show I was watching), but here it is again. Maybe I'll stumble across an essay or something on it.
Here are just a few common "unprofessional" decisions candidates make.
1. Carrying a backpack or fannypack instead of a briefcase or portfolio.
2. Sunglasses on top of your head or headphones around your neck. Be sure to remove all your "transit gear" and tuck it in your briefcase before entering the lobby.
3. Too-short skirts. Forget what some of those gals on the Apprentice are wearing. Your skirt should cover your thighs when you are seated.
4. The wrong tie. Ties should be made of silk, no less than 3 1/4 inches wide with a conservative pattern. Image consultants say the best colors are red or burgundy. Later on, once you've proven how invaluable you are, you can show your true colors.
5. Overly bright or large-patterned clothing. With the possible exception of creative fields like advertising or computer programming, it's best to stick with navy, black or gray.
6. Heavy make-up on women (or any makeup on a man).
7. Earrings on men. (In fact, men should avoid wearing any jewelry unless it is a wedding ring, class ring or metal watch.)
8. More than one set of earrings on women.
9. Facial piercings, tongue jewelry or visible tattoos.
10. Ill-fitting clothes. Few people can wear things straight off the rack. Spending a little extra to have your garments tailored is a worthwhile investment.
11. Extreme fingernails, especially with bright or specialty polishes. Nails should look clean and be trimmed to a length that doesn't leave an observer questioning if you can manage a keyboard easily.
12. Unnatural hair colors or styles. Remember, Donald Trump was a billionaire well before he began wearing an orange comb-over. If you're balding, try a close-cropped cut like Bruce Willis or Matt Lauer.
13. Short-sleeved shirts, even worse when worn with a tie. (Unless you accessorize with a plastic pocket protector.)
14. Fishnets, patterned hosiery or bare legs (no matter how tan you are). Women should stick with neutral color hosiery that complements your suit.
15. Men whose socks don't match... their shoes, or whose socks are too short and leave a gap of flesh when they are seated. Or worse, whose socks just don't match.
16. Rumpled or stained clothing. Try not to look like you just got out of bed. If interviewing late in the day, try to change to a fresh suit beforehand.
17. Scuffed or inappropriate footwear, including sneakers, stilettos, open-toed shoes and sandals. Open toed shoes with "scuffed" nails are especially bad news.
18. Strong scents (aftershaves, perfumes or colognes.) At least one of our clients has a scent-free office. Many people are allergic to certain scents. For a subtle fragrance, use a good quality bath soap.
19. Belts and shoes that don't match. Shoes and belts should be made of leather or leather-like materials and the best colors for men are black or cordovan. Worse yet, white shoes and belt for that Palm Beach look.
20. Telltale signs that you are wearing a new suit. Remove all tags and extra buttons - and remember to cut off the zigzag thread that keeps pockets and slits closed! This is especially embarrasing when you go to slip an important document into that inside pocket... and the pocket is sewn shut.
I don't think I'm going to find what I was looking for (I think it might have actually been a TV show I was watching), but here it is again. Maybe I'll stumble across an essay or something on it.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:45:56
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 01:39 PM)
Wha? Insult people? Negetive?
Its human pyschology, don't be mad at me for telling you how it is.
Kids with piercings get less respect for their ideas then kids in business suits in a workplace environment.
I would probabbly bet that someone who wore a business suit and had an uninteresting haircut but also had a piercing would be received the same way as someone else wearing that. I'm also guessing most people won't notice the piercing in that case.
Its human pyschology, don't be mad at me for telling you how it is.
Kids with piercings get less respect for their ideas then kids in business suits in a workplace environment.
I would probabbly bet that someone who wore a business suit and had an uninteresting haircut but also had a piercing would be received the same way as someone else wearing that. I'm also guessing most people won't notice the piercing in that case.
193852
Your post suggested piercings give people nightmares - in fact, they give me wet dreams. Piercings are a sign of youthful (one 'l') rebellion? Perhaps to religious rights - to liberals they are oft a sign of artistic expression. I, personally, find tattoos as artistic expression, using the body as a canvas for beautiful artwork and display of emotion and desire. Piercings are just hott.
And piercings aren't solely reserved for little kids, you know.
Corr2005-09-27 18:48:41
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Sep 27 2005, 06:41 PM)
Firstly, to comment on that:
My Father is 43 and has ~15 tattoos and 2 piercings.
My mother is 43 and has around ~10 tattoos.
My father is a middle ranked Soldier, my mother the principal of her school. Not that bad for someone with abnormal looks, hm?Â
Well, and I couldn't be arsed to still apply for a job if they won't take me because of my looks. Maybe that's the reason I want to become teacher. I can look the way I want and I can influence younger generations to do my bidding.
My Father is 43 and has ~15 tattoos and 2 piercings.
My mother is 43 and has around ~10 tattoos.
My father is a middle ranked Soldier, my mother the principal of her school. Not that bad for someone with abnormal looks, hm?Â
Well, and I couldn't be arsed to still apply for a job if they won't take me because of my looks. Maybe that's the reason I want to become teacher. I can look the way I want and I can influence younger generations to do my bidding.
193855
If 99% of people regret those things that still means that 6 Million(or is it 600,000?) people in the world do NOT regret it. Of those 600,000 people, I bet the forum can list more than 30 of them, just based on the general demographics of people who play muds.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:49:49
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 01:40 PM)
http://www.businessweek.com/careers/conten..._5682_ca026.htm
This isn't the article I'm looking for, but it does talk about one of the questions on The Apprentice application being "do you have tattoos or piercings". But surely, a nobody like Donald Trump's opinion doesn't matter, right?
This isn't the article I'm looking for, but it does talk about one of the questions on The Apprentice application being "do you have tattoos or piercings". But surely, a nobody like Donald Trump's opinion doesn't matter, right?
193853
Donald Trump has a bright-orange comb-over. And he's a gross, capitalistic pig. His opinion honestly doesn't matter. And it's really not his opinion, nor yours - it's your point of view, little else. It's the cumulative business world's opinion of a 'clean, professional' look.
Richter2005-09-27 18:52:02
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Sep 27 2005, 10:49 AM)
Donald Trump has a bright-orange comb-over. And he's a gross, capitalistic pig. His opinion honestly doesn't matter. And it's really not his opinion, nor yours - it's your point of view, little else. It's the cumulative business world's opinion of a 'clean, professional' look.
193859
Bad as the hair may be, I wouldn't mind being hired by him, doing marketing, or sales, or something.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:52:10
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 01:48 PM)
If 99% of people regret those things that still means that 6 Million(or is it 600,000?) people in the world do NOT regret it. Of those 600,000 people, I bet the forum can list more than 30 of them, just based on the general demographics of people who play muds.
193858
Very few people regret tattoos or piercings from my experience. Take your conservative propaganda and suggestive, incomplete/non-existant 'polls' (which any political science major can tell you amount to jack-diddly-squat, as can any stat student. They're so easily spun and twisted) elsewhere.
Unknown2005-09-27 18:52:50
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 01:52 PM)
Bad as the hair may be, I wouldn't mind being hired by him, doing marketing, or sales, or something.
193860
I would. But I refuse to work for republicans.
Ashteru2005-09-27 18:55:03
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Sep 27 2005, 06:52 PM)
Very few people regret tattoos or piercings from my experience. Take your conservative propaganda and suggestive, incomplete/non-existant 'polls' (which any political science major can tell you amount to jack-diddly-squat, as can any stat student. They're so easily spun and twisted) elsewhere.
193861
He's right there...even I learned how to manipulate polls...in my second year in my school. And, oh yeah...my parents are going to get some more too, just as I'll get some more tattoos. Nothing bad about them.
Singollo2005-09-27 18:57:48
Anyone who is afraid of someone because they appear different really needs to take a permanent vacation to a few decades ago.
I'm going to agree with Kalo as well. If you want to attract me you better be a female with more than just a single piercing in each ear.
I'm going to agree with Kalo as well. If you want to attract me you better be a female with more than just a single piercing in each ear.