Ashteru2005-09-27 21:00:41
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 08:58 PM)
I'd like to buy from someone non-threatening and not wierd (by whomever's standards) - looking.
Let me ask you this: If I walk into Big 5 Sporting goods, and ask for some help, the guy in the button up shirt and slacks walks over, and helps me. Does he look like he belongs? Is he lifting weights, has a headband on, maybe is wearing bicycle shorts?
Let me ask you this: If I walk into Big 5 Sporting goods, and ask for some help, the guy in the button up shirt and slacks walks over, and helps me. Does he look like he belongs? Is he lifting weights, has a headband on, maybe is wearing bicycle shorts?
193934
He probably isn't wearing a suit too. He'd wear whatever Big 5 sporting goods uniform would be. Otherwise probably a sweater or something.
But if he's for example wearing a suit selling computer games...I'd ask myself what's wrong there.
Corr2005-09-27 21:07:07
I'm sure that a statistic that is quoted in 4 seperate news articles, and on 5 different Tattoo websites is wrong.
Ashteru2005-09-27 21:14:02
QUOTE(Corr @ Sep 27 2005, 09:07 PM)
I'm sure that a statistic that is quoted in 4 seperate news articles, and on 5 different Tattoo websites is wrong.
193938
Did I say it's wrong? No. I just said it might've been ... worked towards the way they want it to look like. I learn that at school, trust me. Statistics aremeaningless, you can make one for everything and in every direction you want.
Richter2005-09-27 21:16:44
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Sep 27 2005, 01:00 PM)
He probably isn't wearing a suit too. He'd wear whatever Big 5 sporting goods uniform would be. Otherwise probably a sweater or something.
But if he's for example wearing a suit selling computer games...I'd ask myself what's wrong there.
But if he's for example wearing a suit selling computer games...I'd ask myself what's wrong there.
193935
I didn't say everyone had to wear suits. And they wear button up shirts and slacks, like I said. We're going for professional attire, and tying this into the subject, no matter if you agree or not, tattoos and piercings are not percieved as professional, by the people that matter.
Employers.
Don't try to come up with exceptions either, this is the majority of employers. Since that's what they think, it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you want a "professional" job, or even a casual one, it's best if you don't have them visible. That's a fact that cannot be argued with.
Manjanaia2005-09-27 21:18:36
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Sep 27 2005, 08:55 PM)
Would you rather buy from someone neutral or from someone who looks like if he belongs there?
193933
Read my post again.
QUOTE(Yours truely)
so you have to be acceptable to the average customer you're going to get
I was including that in my point. Working on a campus, you're going to get a wide range of people, and therefore you have to be bland, neutral.
Manjanaia2005-09-27 21:20:28
I think you're taking the matter to the extreme, he's not being asked to wear a suit, he's being asked to remove a single item that MAY cause offense to some customers.
Richter2005-09-27 21:21:03
QUOTE(Manjanaia @ Sep 27 2005, 01:18 PM)
Read my post again.
I was including that in my point. Working on a campus, you're going to get a wide range of people, and therefore you have to be bland, neutral.
QUOTE(Yours truely)
so you have to be acceptable to the average customer you're going to get
I was including that in my point. Working on a campus, you're going to get a wide range of people, and therefore you have to be bland, neutral.
193949
Indeed, you have to appeal to men, women, preps, jocks, emo kids, goth kids (who were not at the sacking of Rome), nerds, and everyone else that doesn't really fall under those categories. Your audience is wide, therefore you must appeal to them.
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Ashteru2005-09-27 21:26:58
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 09:16 PM)
I didn't say everyone had to wear suits. And they wear button up shirts and slacks, like I said. We're going for professional attire, and tying this into the subject, no matter if you agree or not, tattoos and piercings are not percieved as professional, by the people that matter.
Employers.
Don't try to come up with exceptions either, this is the majority of employers. Since that's what they think, it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you want a "professional" job, or even a casual one, it's best if you don't have them visible. That's a fact that cannot be argued with.
Employers.
Don't try to come up with exceptions either, this is the majority of employers. Since that's what they think, it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you want a "professional" job, or even a casual one, it's best if you don't have them visible. That's a fact that cannot be argued with.
193947
But you know that this differs from country to country as well?
To Manjanaia: No...maybe tomorrow. *rubs his eyes*
Ashteru2005-09-27 21:27:51
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 27 2005, 09:21 PM)
Indeed, you have to appeal to men, women, preps, jocks, emo kids, goth kids (who were not at the sacking of Rome), nerds, and everyone else that doesn't really fall under those categories. Your audience is wide, therefore you must appeal to them.
193953
'tis an exception man...you just told me not to use them.
tsaephai2005-09-27 21:33:53
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Sep 27 2005, 02:22 PM)
I will defend Richter for once. He is perfectly right - in the business world, one must conform. Richter is borderline centrist/right, if my mark is right, which it tends to be. But that's also his environment - he lives with his parents, and works for a big-wig insurance firm.
hahaha! since i think you're mostly from england i bet you'll think me nuts, i'm a totalitarian(everyone get's the impression that totalitarians all want to be dictators. i don't want to be THE dictator, i want to be a farmer that lives in a perfectly totalitarian society.). i agree with richter, mostly, except that what is considered profesional is ussually what is natural, and when things aren't in a pure/natural state they're considered degraded(such as no tattoos or piercings(or even makeup, in many places(i know, 'tsnot in england, or, atleast, i think). people have evolved the way they have for a reasone, the best survive and those that don't don't deserve to.
Richter2005-09-27 21:39:37
QUOTE(tsaephai @ Sep 27 2005, 01:33 PM)
hahaha! since i think you're mostly from england i bet you'll think me nuts, i'm a totalitarian(everyone get's the impression that totalitarians all want to be dictators. i don't want to be THE dictator, i want to be a farmer that lives in a perfectly totalitarian society.). i agree with richter, mostly, except that what is considered profesional is ussually what is natural, and when things aren't in a pure/natural state they're considered degraded(such as no tattoos or piercings(or even makeup, in many places(i know, 'tsnot in england, or, atleast, i think). people have evolved the way they have for a reasone, the best survive and those that don't don't deserve to.
193964
I'm from the U.S., as is Ye of Little Faith.
But you're agreeing with me, I think, so it's all good.
Malicia2005-09-27 21:43:34
Would you hire a lawyer that approached you in jeans with holes in them, a ripped tee and eyebrow ring? Nope. I'm going for the guy with the 500 dollar suit and snakeskin briefcase. For some reason, I'd feel a bit more secure in that.
Would I hang out with a guy in holey jeans with 40 tattoos and 10 piercings in his bottom lip? Hell yeah.
There is a time and a place for everything.
Would I hang out with a guy in holey jeans with 40 tattoos and 10 piercings in his bottom lip? Hell yeah.
There is a time and a place for everything.
Ashteru2005-09-27 21:48:08
QUOTE(Malicia @ Sep 27 2005, 09:43 PM)
Would you hire a lawyer that approached you in jeans with holes in them, a ripped tee and eyebrow ring? Nope. I'm going for the guy with the 500 dollar suit and snakeskin briefcase. For some reason, I'd feel a bit more secure in that.
Oh yeah, true. But would you buy software (in a shop) from the same guy without at least thinking 'Woah, weird'?
QUOTE
Would I hang out with a guy in holey jeans with 40 tattoos and 10 piercings in his bottom lip? Hell yeah.
Give me 5 years and I'll be there.
QUOTE
There is a time and a place for everything.
193971
There's time for drinking, and there's a time for school. Now I just have to draw a line between those two.
Singollo2005-09-27 22:16:26
I'd laugh at you for hiring a $500 dumb*ss in fancy clothes when my lawyer, picked based on reputation and interview, not outward appearance trounces yours. Its all been indoctrinated into your head, like having to have a favorite color, but way less identifying.
Richter2005-09-27 22:28:46
QUOTE(Singollo @ Sep 27 2005, 02:16 PM)
I'd laugh at you for hiring a $500 in fancy clothes when my lawyer, picked based on reputation and interview, not outward appearance trounces yours. Its all been indoctrinated into your head, like having to have a favorite color, but way less identifying.
193992
Now that's just silly, and you need to really think about what you posted. If you've got a lawyer, who's good, who was picked by reputation and an interview, he's going to be dressed appropriately.
If we get a $500 lawyer who dresses in a suit, WHO other than you said that it would be because they look nice. That's just rediculous. We're going to choose a good lawyer as well, now you're just insulting everyone's intelegence.
Unless you already have a lawyer, who has visible piercing and tattoos, who does not dress up, and yet has been referred to you by reputable sources, I'm gonna have to ask you nicely to pipe down, because the IQ of this thread is plummeting.
Goyel2005-09-27 22:59:48
Richter,Sep 27 2005, 04:21 PM:
I was including that in my point. Working on a campus, you're going to get a wide range of people, and therefore you have to be bland, neutral.193949
Indeed, you have to appeal to emo kids,
193953
Never.
Richter2005-09-27 23:04:50
Psh, that was taken out of context. I meant you have to appeal to everyone, if you don't want to alienate people.
Well, duh, I guess. But it makes sense to me.
Well, duh, I guess. But it makes sense to me.
Bau2005-09-28 00:22:42
QUOTE(Richter @ Sep 28 2005, 07:21 AM)
Indeed, you have to appeal to men, women, preps, jocks, emo kids, goth kids (who were not at the sacking of Rome), nerds, and everyone else that doesn't really fall under those categories. Your audience is wide, therefore you must appeal to them.
193953
Edit: weird, don't know why that screwed up...
Unknown2005-09-28 00:31:43
God, I hate piercings.
"I have a piece of metal punched through my body! I'm such a unique individual!"
Pah. Getting hole poked in you and sticking rocks through them is such a wonderful fashion statement. Ears don't bother me, but the rest of it is eugh.
"I have a piece of metal punched through my body! I'm such a unique individual!"
Pah. Getting hole poked in you and sticking rocks through them is such a wonderful fashion statement. Ears don't bother me, but the rest of it is eugh.