thats where levelling and good race selection come into play to be honest, and why on all the other IRE games damage knights suck as soon as their opponents have enough health to deal with the damage.

If the admin want damage warriors to still be a viable alternative on here, they can't tweak things too much because otherwise the whole idea of a damage warriors is invalidated, and we are back to everyone being speedwhores and Con being related virtually to only what you can bash. Yes I do agree that 200+ damage lightning runed broadswords are a pain in the ass to deal with, even now when the runes are nerfed, but transing resilience reduces 2/3 of that damage by a third, racial and guild skills reduce it further, and good parrying/stancing/rebounding does the rest when your not counting lunges in.

The problem with your assertion about good racial choices is that the very archetypes we are talking about require people to pretty much be in the very races that are so susceptible to damage. If they choose a tankier race, they become ineffective in the class. Only a few oddball combinations will work now (Tae'dae telepathy with the debate killing goodness is probably one), but people are usually locked into the race they chose based on what is recommended for the class.

Unlike warriors who really do have a wide range of races that are viable in the archetype, mages/druids have a smaller range that will allow them to effectively perform the actions needed to defeat others. So, we end up having many of them even in the higher level ranges dying quickly to an expenditure of 4 to 8 power by high damage warriors.

That would be fine if it were completely true. Out of the roughly 5 mages/druids who are 80 or above, only 2 have any problem with damage. They are Acrune and Gregori, who both have a huge disadvantage racially against high end knights from the lightning and/or fire runes.

L60-80 would be a more of a fair assessment of that statement, because L80+ is simply not true.

Warriors with elemental runes are the strongest archetype of this realm, warriors without elemental runes are the weakest archetype of this realm.

I still think elemental runes (even though I have them myself), should be removed from the game, or changed so they only convert 10% of the damage at the very most, and maybe add a chance of a related affliction, like epilepsy for lightning.

And I like how Narsrim boasts that no warrior can kill him, while people like Amaru can, yet he still thinks warriors are overpowered, guess he just can't pass any opportunity to gloat, even if it voids his points.



It's seriously getting boring, there's people that since the beginning of the game killed a lot more supernals and avatars than you, do you see them boasting about it with every single damned post?

Agreed.

Warriors have Loboshi, Dracnari (hah), Krokani, Taurian and Orclach and their specialised races if they don't want balance penalties as a Damage warrior (include Dwarf, Tae'dae and Igasho if you want the balance penalties).

Mages have their specialised races, Mugwump, Faeling, Trill, Lucidian, Dracnari and Aslaran and none of them have eq penalties. Aslaran, Trill, Lucidian and Dracnari amongst those of the non-specialised races have either decent CON or have a racial defence against lightning runes.

Druids have all of the Mage races as well as Furrikin as they are less reliant on an extremely high intelligence to kill their opponent. This isn't even counting all the slow quirky races/skill combinations that are now available through the new skills being added.

As I count it there, non-warriors have more races to choose from, don't they.

Er, haven't you forgotten not all warriors are damage-knights?

Edit: Also, Faelings are a specialization race ( ), so you counted it twice.

Who are these so called overpowered warriors?

The warriors you all were bitching about at the moment were the damage ones (as always) who can if they spend more money on this game than I make in six months can get weapons that can kill the races with low con and not enough levels in two hits.

And yes, Faeling are specialisation - but for mages they aren't and they still have a decent intelligence stat.

Alger - the overpowered warriors they are bitching about are pretty much Melanchthon, Daevos, Ixion and nobody else. Huge warrior contingent there isn't it.

Oh and I realise how facetious I was being in regards to some of the potential mage races - but all of the ones I listed did have a decent intelligence stat which is the prime requisite of any mage class, and with a bit of forethought could probably turned into a fairly awesome mage.

I get so tired of the "but I'm a crappy warrior and we aren't all that powerful" rants. The point is that there is absolutely NO POTENTIAL for other classes to get those fabled 4p, insta-kills on most soft targets like say a Mugwump Aquamancer or Faeling Druid who is in the level 40-60 range. Geb has a level 3 scepter and even with a truefavour, he doesn't come close to instantly killing people with one of the best staff damages out there.

Since it pretty much impossible for others to get this, I'd say warriors are imbalanced. And FYI: Geb's level three scepter is a beloved 1600cr artifact... he spent more to get less effect than a warrior can get with half of that. I think that's lame.

how much credits did Icarus spend on his axe? 4 cosmics 2 elementals 2.3k credits

Diamante has 2 cosmics 2 elementals 800 + 700... 1.5k credits and still he couldnt finish me off when I was under inquistion (which means I'm undeffed including surge) while Aesyra could with just cosmicfire. I've compared Geb's damage output with Diamante as well and guess who has the higher dps. I can litterally stand there and tank Diamante but I cant tank Geb without diverting a lot of attention to my defensive, so this lesser effect for 1.6k credits is bolloks.

Ixion can tell you what hes got if he wants to. You're not comparing 700 credits to 1.6k here.

All the weapons need to really boost damage the most is an elemental rune. The wounding wounds do nothing for raw damage... and the stat runes do help but not nearly as much as the elemental.

Narsrim thats not how weapons work. Theres a little more to it than what you think. There are combination to all three stats that yield different effects. Then these stats are not linear in effect.

If you havent noticed me terenas ixion daevos icarus all fight differently one reason for that is we all have different combinations on our weapons which gives us our strong points and our weak points. That being said stats are very important.

Admittedly, elementals were really strong in the beginning and maybe thats all they needed back then, but since they've lessened its effect a lot of these arti warriors no longer have just elementals on their weapons.

Alger is right, I can tank damage warriors like Diamante much easier than Geb. And actually I had a similar incident with Diamante recently in a FFA, tanked him while under inquisition. While Geb was able to bring me low while surged with pure staffing and nothing else. He was hitting me for 1800 at a faster rate than any warrior is capable of. And there was no way for me to passively block his damage, as can be done to a warrior.

Except unless they happen to have spent a month forging each broadsword to have over 200 damage and gotten the +stat runes too, then they AREN'T in a position to instakill a frigging mugwump aquamancer or anyone else in two lunges. The slower higher strengh races like myself with broadswords has at LEAST a 5 second recovery time on a swing in damage mode - and thats when im lucky. And PLEASE stop trying to act as if L40 is the lower limit for a successful combatant. Level 60 is the BARE MINIMUM where combat begins to come balanced for omnitrans combat, with it being closer to the high 70's low 80's where its balanced best.

Do you know what position I am speaking of? The damage warriors who HAVEN'T spent 2000+ credits on enhancing my weapons. Thats 99% of us if you didn't know you frigging retard, in fact the only warriors who are really successful without the bucketload of artifacts are the rapierwhore warriors like Alger and Terenas and to a lesser extent Bonecrushers with flails or hammers. so get your head out your ass, webpage away from these forums and go back to being one of the noobcannon vampires on aetolia. kthxbye.

It was 60 in achaea where we had less damage output.

Block his damage? You have putrefaction that reduces damage by __ 45% __ on top of all that other junk like full plate and various other defenses. And I sincerely doubt Geb has an 1800 damage staff cast with the change to Aqua Staff. Post a log, I have to see this.

Notice that I used the word "potential." That means that it is possible for warriors to get that ridiculous sort of damage. I don't care if you had years and a million credits, it would still be impossible for a Wiccan, Guardian, or Mage to get to the point where they can just /bam/ instantly kill someone instantly like high damage knights can at what we are going say ~40-60 for races like mugwump, merian, faeling, etc.

And Kariol was slain by Melanchthon in a single attack at level 75 as a Mugwump Hartstone

I dislike this thing where warriors test on each other to determine balance. If you want to put it that way, do you have any idea how much damage Narsrim does to me with his moonburst, fully deffed up? Like 400. Dumihru does maybe 350, also fully buffed up. (I guess she doesn't use knowledge blessing all the time or something.) You're not going to say it's okay to upgrade Narsrim's damage because of that or something, right? I mean, how's he supposed to kill me with a 400 damage moonburst!?

(Now that's extreme, but (I hope) you get the idea.)