Specialized Races

by Daevos

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Thorgal2005-09-29 21:01:01
Often instead of 600 you'll sip for 350.
Unknown2005-09-29 21:01:15
I sip for 450 average at level 78. Laysus says he sips for 900-1000. That's the difference between Faeling and Viscanti for you, just as an example.
Ekard2005-09-29 21:04:25
So level 2 sip is around 40%? I cant belive this.

And Laysus is trans alchemist.

Just do some tests, how much you heal of your max health.
I with no disadvantage heal for 20%+-few percents of my max health.
Unknown2005-09-29 21:05:22
The best way to do this is probably with Nayl's calculator. Although I'm not sure if the formula changed or not, it seemed pretty accurate with what I generally healed for.
Ekard2005-09-29 21:10:54
QUOTE(Nine Breaker @ Sep 29 2005, 11:05 PM)
The best way to do this is probably with Nayl's calculator. Although I'm not sure if the formula changed or not, it seemed pretty accurate with what I generally healed for.
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Anyone have link to this calculator?
Xavius2005-09-29 21:11:26
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Sep 29 2005, 03:51 PM)
I don't think you people have any clue of how devastating a lvl2 sip penalty is.
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Well then, let's do the math! First, we'll start with a post from Terenas:
QUOTE(terenas @ Jan 10 2005, 11:35 AM)
This information I recieved was from a while ago in Achaea, so it might not be accurate, or accurate at all.

Someone once mentioned to me that the curing formula for health or mana (possibly bromide too) is-

{(maxhealth * .15) + 100} * (.8 to 1.2)

So for example, someone with 2000 health would sip from-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * .8 = 320 -> Min

to-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * 1.2 = 480 -> Max

I think the healing penalty for a Dracnari might accounts for a -.2 to the last number that's multiplied by the sipping constant. So a Dracnari with 2000 health would sip for-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * .6 = 240 -> Min

to-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * 1.0 = 400 -> Max
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Comparing a level 63 imperial merian to a level 63 master viscanti:

Merian max hp and sip range:
2442; 292-439

Viscanti max hp and sip range:
3198; 192-383

Terenas2005-09-29 21:15:53
Nah, that's wrong it's actually this-

{(maxhealth * .15) + 100} * (.8 to 1.2)

So for example, someone with 2000 health would sip from-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * .8 = 320 -> Min

to-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * 1.2 = 480 -> Max

Viscanti sip penalty-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * .64 = 256 -> Min

to-

(2000 * .15 + 100) = 400 * .96 = 384 -> Max

Merian sip average- 320 to 480
Viscanti sip average- 256 to 384

This isn't taking into account the fact that Master Viscanti will always have more health than an Imperial Merian at the same level.
Ekard2005-09-29 21:18:05
QUOTE(terenas @ Sep 29 2005, 11:15 PM)
This isn't taking into account the fact that Master Viscanti will always have more health than an Imperial Merian at the same level.
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And you realy should.
Not many is 70+ Imperian Merians.
Xavius2005-09-29 21:18:57
Oooh, I see my math error. One second, I'll edit.

EDIT: Fixed above post.
Daevos2005-09-29 21:23:11
Just did a quick test without any regen.

Info

Test Dummy - Me

Stats:
Max Health - 5030
Max Mana - 2708

Attacker - Shiro

Testing

Health

2932h, 3102m, 2966e, 10p elrx-
You take a drink from a coral vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3580h, 3102m, 2966e, 10p elrx

Mana

5030h, 1979m, 2966e, 10p elrx-
You take a drink from a coral vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
5030h, 2395m, 2966e, 10p elrx-

Results

Health Sip: 648
Mana Sip: 416
Percentage of Health Healed with Sipping: 12.88
Percentage of Mana Healed with Sipping: 15.39
Daevos2005-09-29 21:29:13
QUOTE(terenas @ Sep 29 2005, 04:15 PM)
This isn't taking into account the fact that Master Viscanti will always have more health than an Imperial Merian at the same level.
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You also failed to take into account the fact that Imperial Merians will take less damage than Master Viscanti when the damage is not effected by either races' resistances/penalties. Since isn't damage effected by max health.
Ekard2005-09-29 21:29:44
Daevos you should od more tests and take avarage from this.
Ceren2005-09-29 21:30:13
I've played a xoran in achaea and a viscanti alt here. Sip penalty has a huge effect on tankiness.
Ixion2005-09-29 21:30:28
The sipping penalty is by far one of the worst possible racial disadvantages. Even as a dracnari I felt it bigtime, and when I was a viscanti I felt it even worse.

I do feel Elfen need a disadvantage to balance things out. And I dislike how utterly superior they are in influencing.
Unknown2005-09-29 21:32:13
QUOTE(Ekard @ Sep 29 2005, 04:29 PM)
Daevos you should od more tests and take avarage from this.
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So I did.

Level 77 Master Viscanti
Constitution: 14
Max Health: 3842

12 Sip Tests

Range: 480-632

486
508
524
480
545
632
627
540
508
632
600
584

Average: 555.5
Xavius2005-09-29 21:36:20
Your "huge" penalty is detailed above (correctly, this time). When combined with a superior regen rate in a terrain that's much more widespread than the merian regen terrain (and works in demesnes) and resistances in place of weaknesses, it evens out pretty quickly. Although, there might be grounds for saying that you're less resilient than a high elfen in a long fight.
Terenas2005-09-29 21:42:51
QUOTE(Daevos @ Sep 29 2005, 09:29 PM)
You also failed to take into account the fact that Imperial Merians will take less damage than Master Viscanti when the damage is not effected by either races' resistances/penalties. Since isn't damage effected by max health.
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Yup, I do realize that. But the fact also remains that all types of damage have some % of it that is not blockable by any defenses. If both a Master Viscanti and an Imperial Merian have the same defenses, obviously the Viscanti will take more damage, but would the damage over time outweighs the extra 1k+ health the Viscanti have over the Merian or vice versa? I honestly don't know, but if someone can test, I'd like to see the results. biggrin.gif
Xavius2005-09-29 21:47:32
Alright, redone one more time using the more up-to-date formula from Terenas:

Merian max hp and sip range:
2442; 292-439

Viscanti max hp and sip range:
3198; 307-460

Master viscanti sips for more than imperial merian at the same level.
Terenas2005-09-29 21:50:13
QUOTE(Xavius @ Sep 29 2005, 09:47 PM)
Alright, redone one more time using the more up-to-date formula from Terenas:

Merian max hp and sip range:
2442; 292-439

Viscanti max hp and sip range:
3198;  307-460

Master viscanti sips for more than imperial merian at the same level.
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Not getting the same numbers at all. You're forgetting to add 100 to .15 of maxhealth. biggrin.gif
Unknown2005-09-29 21:53:16
QUOTE(Xavius @ Sep 29 2005, 04:47 PM)
Alright, redone one more time using the more up-to-date formula from Terenas:

Merian max hp and sip range:
2442; 292-439

Viscanti max hp and sip range:
3198;  307-460

Master viscanti sips for more than imperial merian at the same level.
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Real numbers:

2442; 373.04 - 559.56
3198; 371.01 - 556.51

Also, for what level is this?