Make Terenas do it!




Well, I was mainly looking at Brood Viscanti vs Elfen Lords/Ladies.

Actually, Terenas can't do it.
We need a visc, and an elfen lord, Mali, you in game?

I did, but people kept telling me what rubbish you were posting again, and I couldn't resist replying, after reading it.

My conclusion is that you actually believe what you write.. you aren't biased at all..

Thorg, just accept the interpretation you take, and argue the points of it in a smooth, valid, and constructive manner, please, otherwise, the restecpa goes down bro.
Take a *cough* leef from Geb's book.
( Munsia)

That only has positive effects on people that do the same, Nayl. Though I can imagine it being confusing and upsetting for Malicia, hence I'll just put 'er on her ignore again, so I don't get tempted. Just try being at least a little objective and insightful, even though there's no experience to work with.

Thorgal. I hope you 'really' keep me on ignore this time or pretend to and STFU.

I'm willing to test whenever. Currently in game, glued to the forge though.

I'd much prefer it if everything we discussed, in terms of overpowered-ness, was compared time-wise to cures, showing gaps for healing. The offensive, and defense moves to such, and comparing them in terms of time gaps to heal.

That's going to be a difficult test to pull off. It'd be easier to figure out regen and sip timing and just calculate, since we know the formulas.

Regen is 2%, 5%, 8%. Mercy/Perfection/Beauty is 5%, doesn't affect the lvl3 regen limit. Not sure about sprite/mother or timing.

Thorgal. I suggest you get off your high objective horse, lest we start pointing out that you only ever argue for the organization you're affiliated with, and even then its with menial name calling and little substance. When you start arguing for the other races as well as the Viscanti, maybe I'll stop thinking you're being a ninny about this and just using it to lash out against the opposing player side while whining about yours.

Pot, this is kettle. You're black.

Love Ya.

I see you Tendonwhore! How many heartpierces did it take for you to kill me again?

Since I have no life.

Viscanti (Brood)- 16 Con, Level 3 Regen, -2 Sip Penalty
Elfen (Lord)- 14 Con, Level 1 Regen, no Sip Penalty

Le BV--- EL---- VLS---- VHS---- ELS-- EHS-- VR---- ER---
50 2900 2600 342.40 513.60 392.0 588.0 232.0 65.00
55 3160 2830 367.36 551.04 419.6 629.4 252.8 70.75
60 3420 3060 392.32 588.48 447.2 670.8 273.6 76.50
65 3680 3290 417.28 625.92 474.8 712.2 294.4 82.25
70 3940 3520 442.24 663.36 502.4 753.6 315.2 88.00
75 4200 3750 467.20 700.80 530.0 795.0 336.0 93.75
80 4460 3980 492.16 738.24 557.6 836.4 356.8 99.50
85 4720 4210 517.12 775.68 585.2 877.8 377.6 105.25
90 4980 4440 542.08 813.12 612.8 919.2 398.4 111.00
95 5240 4670 567.04 850.56 640.4 960.6 419.2 116.75

Le- Level
BV- Brood Viscanti (Health)
EL- Elfen Lord (Health)
VLS- Viscanti Low Sip
VHS- Viscanti High Sip
ELS- Elfen Low Sip
EHS- Elfen High Sip
VR- Viscanti Health Regeneration (Level 3- supposed 8%)
ER- Elfen Health Regeneration (Level 1- supposed 2.5%)

Edit- Spacing is all weird, so I put the extra - in there.

If that is accurate, at lvl 95, Brood Viscanti would sip for 110 (give or take a little) less than an Elfen Lord with a sexy health/mana regen that rocks all opposition. Hmmm.

Are you sure it's 2.5% at level one regen? My tests put it at 2% even.

As a Xoran in Achaea (level 2 sip penalty) the sip actually wasn't that bad. Admitted, I was a trans Concoctionist, but even before I transed it, it wasn't that bad. I had plenty of health to play with as well.

Hi kettle, how are you? I'm fine!

Your argument there is obviously rubbish, since I've argued for Celest and Serenwilde plenty of times while being a Magnagoran or Glomdorian, when you bothered to defend nor attack any arguments at all. I even left Magnagora when I couldn't stand being part of the stomping any longer.

But in this case, it is merely numbers, not beliefs, politics or actions: Elfen Lord vs Brood Viscanti, stats and advantages... so STFU.

If Mugwumps are downgraded, we'll be absolutely useless. The reason people think they're overpowered is because of big ones like Kaervas who would pose a hell of a threat no matter what race they were.

Yeah, that was pretty much the point of the thread. Anyone see where it went?

I disagree. A level 2 equilibrium bonus would be viable for the race, and still put it on near equal footing as an Imperian merian when it comes to mage viability. Mugwumps using any equilibrium abilities that do not have a minimum recovery time will outshine other races using those same abilities, even if the other races have superior statistics in other areas that benefit said same abilities. Having a level three-equilibrium bonus trumps their weaknesses versus other races that would be used in the same sort of archetypes.