Here's a version of Terenas' chart that can actually be read.

P.S. Someone figure out the sip range for a level 100 Tae'dae. I demand it.

I think the only thing that is not balenced is the elfen and fae not having draw backs. I mean other races do even humans do because they do nto get resistances or faster speed/eq so it's all balanceds. But them damn elves and their little pets need to be toned down

I think it really comes down to the question, should the formation, maintenance, and strengthening of racial identities within organizations be encouraged in Lusternia. This is the only IRE realm where racism has played any role. And that can be clearly be seen in both cities. With Celest considering the Merian race to be superior to all others, and Magnagora considering the Viscanti to be superior as well, while harbouring a strong hatred for Merians and Elfen.

Unfortunately though neither of their races are as strong as they are thought by their respective organizations RP wise. Both races suffer significant statistical disadvantages which are reinforced by their races disadvantages. To be more specific, the Merians suffer from low constitution which is made worst by their elemental weaknesses. Where as the Viscanti suffer from low intelligence and charisma, which is made by their level two sipping penalties. This seems to be a problem that affects only the city specialized races.

Igashos are far supierior to all other races! i wish i could make a clan, then it'd become an igasho terrorist group, going around attacking places that are premoting rights of other races and going around attacking places anti-igasho!

i'd just need to find some other jingonistic igashos out there...

High Elfen really aren't that great. They don't have any drawbacks, true, but the only thing they have going for them really is their int, which isn't really as great as you'd think, especially with knowledge blessings to make up part of it.

Thanks for doing that after I did.

Mine's still better.

Yeah. I wouldn't want to be a high elfen. They're really not a great race. Elfen Lord I don't know.

A race that can get 20 intelligence if you're a moondancer, 19 as druid.. without any disadvantages, only advantages, is always very good.

If it's out of the question to downgrade elfen for some reason, then set merian elemental penalties and viscanti sipping penalty to lvl1.

Thorgal, I would suggest you invest in a grade 6 education before responding to me.

This would include actually -reading- what I post. Here, I'll highlight a very important aspect that you failed to look at.



You see how the "no longer fast" line now makes sense, when you read the first sentence of the paragraph? The sentence right -before- the "no longer fast" line? Amazing concept, this reading thing, isn't it?

It was a hypothetical situation in what would happen if Mugwump speed wasn't there anymore.

NEXT!

If we set mugwump speed at lvl2 equilibrium, they will still be the fastest race of IRE, how would they not be fast any longer?

I think he's meaning, in terms of comparison, it would no longer be as omgwtfbbqnerf, as it currently is, but balance them better, their bonuses against their statistics.

I -think-, can't speak for 'im but.

Man Igashos are evrywhere.
Half of Paladins are igashos.

Actually, by the point that I had posted that, nobody had said just how low they wanted it nerfed. All indications had been that they wanted speed bonuses gone completely (Though, I admit, I may have just read too far into some people's posts).

Hence, why I asked what exactly was being proposed.

Good, yes. Very good, no. Mugwump is better in all cases. Intelligence really isn't as important as speed or tankiness. As a druid, at least, you don't kill with your int, you kill with Sap. Someone with 5 int could kill with sap, it'd just take a bit longer.

High Elfen is nice and solid, but nothing special.

Speaking from experience as I have been near every race at some point. I see the following problems with the four main races being discussed here.

Mugwumps - Too fast, its great if you -are- the mugwump but its quite overpowered with the ability to reach 17-18 Int with a knowledge blessing plus Drawdown/Nightkiss or a lucky fortuna. This kind of intelligence on a three second balance recovery especially with high damage attacks such as staff, moonburst and nightkiss is ridiculous.

I remember being able to cudgel someone to death from range before they could even figure out what the hell was going on.

Elfens - Elfen have no disadvantages and I personally feel that no Elfen has any room to really complain. Elfen Lords are fine as they are. They can easily reach 18 Strength (19 with Highmagic) and their Constitution and Intelligence are both quite nice.

Moondancer High Elfen are equally as good as Elfen Lords in that instead of their strength they can easily reach 17 Intelligence (18 with Drawdown and 20 with a knowledge blessing) which makes for a nice and powerful moonburst. The only drawback to being a High Elfen is the low Constitution but I never found it to be an issue as a Moondancer. The damage reduction with drawdown is sweet .

Hartstone High Elfen have it a little worse than Moondancer High Elfen but not by much. A 17 Intelligence cudgel is still really nice plus the regeneration they have within their demesnes.

Merian - The only problem that I see with Imperial Merians is their low constitution as well as their level three weaknesses. Either keep the weaknesses and give them more constitution or lower the weaknesses but keep the constitution. I think you would find quite a few more Celestines going Merian if this were to happen.

I've been a Merian and you may as well just ask a friend to kill you with both the con and weaknesses.

Viscanti - The main problem that I have with Viscanti is their Intelligence and their sip penalty. These two things make Brood Viscanti's easy pickings for any half mana instakills especially from Guardians with skills such as amissio and lash. I think we would see a few more Viscanti warriors if the sip penalty was reduced to level one. It wouldn't really make sense to raise their intelligence.

Bit too busy to give my thoughts on the other sides of the city specialized races at the moment but I will if I remember later.

Merian only have level 2 weaknesses though, not level 3. Though with their low consitution, it doesn't matter that much whether it's level 2 or 3.

i'm actually starting that clan too, i just bought credits, and i'm going to have tsaephai start a clan for Lady Igaso or something with them. if not an Igasho terrorist group, atleast likely an igasho group in general.

Viscanti should get a lvl2 regen in taint and a lvl1 sipping penalty. Then they are up to par.