Sobran is around daily, most of the time. If they can't wait a mere 24 hours, they can go to Nil for all I care.

Believe it or not, I do take quite an active part in the administration, but I AM NOT OMNISCIENT. IT IS NOT MY JOB TO KNOW EVERY LITTLE INTRICATE DETAIL OF HOW SOMEONE ELSE WANTS THE DAMN KIDS TO PROGRESS.

If you don't think I play an active part, trying talking to my guild. They'll set you straight on that.

Not knowing everything does not make me incompetent, slack or lazy.

Except, of course, Xavius and Nyla, who have unsolveable problems with me.

Congratulations on single-handedly degrading this topic into a series of open attacks on Bau. I think this thread is clearly spiralling into worthless trash. Moderator, anyone?

Erm, I have not just one job, but two jobs, and I go to college. Not to mention, I'm also kind of seeing this guy who I really like. When people message me or tell me what's going on, I get back to them usually, if not always, the MINUTE I step into the realms. And yes, I'm in the realm at least once a day. Usually after I get home from my jobs, classes, et cetera. The people in my guild often talk to me, letting me know what they're ideas, concerns, and issues are. I listen, they talk, we resolve the problem and get on with our lives.

So yeah. I do my job as a GA. Or at least, as well as I can being someone who's got crap to do IRL.

I found 'Ask the GA, Sec, Champion' rather useful as GM. No matter what you do, they'll ask. Just refer them to someone else as normal routine and it won't bug you too much.

And for the record, I don't have a problem with Sobran. I just have a problem with people not listening to me.

I've got a little Blacktalon. As far as I'm concerned, the guild is perfect - but then, I said that about the Tanjinn when i was playing Achaea. I don't spend my day asking questions and demanding attention, so I'm great in small quiet guilds. The trouble with the Blacktalon right now is that they're lacking in enough leadership players on during the active periods to take the slack off Sobran/Bau. This is exacerbated by people whinging about how the Blacktalon are, when they're really just understaffed.

I still don't get the trouble between Nayl/Xavius and Bau. But thats IC, don't bring that crap OOC.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

Nyla. Nayl just doesn't like me cause I apologised when ordered to.

Thorgal... have you even been a GM/GA, or even a Sec? if not, please don't talk about things you have no clue about.

I can relate to Bau. She isn't crap because Bob's job is to do such-and-such, which he does regularly, and Jim comes along whining to her because of "insert crap reason here" There is a lot of work to do, it gets done, but everything can't be done instantly. EVER, this isn't a "kill that person now, ok he's dead, where do we go now?" I really wish the people who -only- fight in Lusternia would take the time to help out with their guild, I see it all over, and other people tell me about it too, all they do is fight and pretty much ignore their guild on most matters.. That is the reason some of them hop back and forth between guilds, it's not about the guild to them, it's about the skills, and how well they can kill. So please, don't come on here flaming Bau because she is doing her job, just as all the other GM/GA/sec's do.

*soothe Bau* It's ok, just set up systems, and make sure that everyone in the guild knows that Person A deals with this, and Person B deals with that, and if you want this done, go see Person C, and so forth. Or well, that's more administration, but you can make sure they all know who does what, and yes, you'll have to tell them over and over, as new members flow into all Lusternia's guilds regularly, nice ghelp, hope it works!

Heh, we DO have systems. I just organised those secretaries with Sobran last week. It's ok. GHELP ADMIN is my friend now.

If it's not her job as GM to do things belonging to the GA area, and both know their respective areas, it's perfectly right of her pointing people on the GA direction. Doing otherwise causes she saying something different from what his GA wanted, and then people gets confused.
What's so important that you need to talk to the GM so much (well, with the GA, but supposing he's not there) that you cannot wait and send a message? I mean, there're secs, undersecs, friendly people, I am sure somebody else can help with your problems and if they're really so critical then better ask the right person (the GA) instead of hoping the GM (or GC) knows the right answer.

I've been a secretary four times, and guild champion two times, one time as guild champion I completely took over the work of the guild administrator and guild master, because they couldn't be bothered or didn't have the time. Two times as guild secretary I took over the job of both guild administrator and guild champion, for the same reason.

If there's someone who doesn't have a flying clue what he's talking about, it's you. You're probably as valuable to your guild or city/commune (wherever it is your character lives), as any random novice, so do us all a favour and shut up yourself.

I honestly don't get what people's problems with the Blacktalon are about. Playing a Blacktalon (albeit not overly active for the past few weeks for ooc reasons), I can say they're doing a good job from what I can tell, when I have questions/have input I know whom to talk to.

I also think Bau is perfectly right with what she said. It'd not be good for a GM to point-blank refuse to talk about anything not strictly related to her field of responsibility. However, that's not what Bau was about, and that's also not what Bau does. Her comment that problems etc. should be brought to the person in charge of the relevant aspect of the guild is, of course, valid.

I think that's about all there needs to be said about it, no?

One day, one far off day the people will understand that Lusternia is different from the other IRE games and that the GM might be the official leader of the guild but that the GA is responsible for the internal stuff. Of course the GM has to do the GA's work when the GA is not available but that shouldn't happen too often.

Oh and Thorgal, will you ever get tired bashing either Hartstone or Blacktalon? I mean, you show with nearly every post that goes against those guilds, that you don't have the slightest clue what is really going on there that I wonder when you finally will leave them be.

I seriously can't remember bashing either guild a lot lately, except in this thread, tell me where I did so?

How is this an attack? If I am asked a question by someone and the person available to answer that question isnt around then perhaps I should find out whats going on so I can answer the question. As a guildleader that might not be my specific job, but I should still do it.

When I was GA and Arilyon wasnt around, if someone had a question about combat I didnt say go ask so and so. I attempted to answer it the best I could. Even though combat was not my jurisdiction in the guild.

I hold no hate or dislike for anyone OOC and IC the only person I hate is Gregori and a tiny bit Erion. Bau and Sobran both know I dont sugarcoat anything and will say what needs to be done if it hurts their feelings or not.

Here's my 2 cents.

1. Communication is vital. Leadership should be actively communicating with each other so that more than one leader is aware of what is going on. If both leader X and Y are able to answer a question, one of them should answer, regardless of the fact that he or she is the master of the topic.

2. Human nature tells us that if people are avoiding you over someone else, they either:

- hate you
- are initimidated by you

Just my opinions.

I actually don't mind being GM right now, but then I'm pretty laid off. I basically let the GA run the secs and take care of novices while I make fun of Nejii and the other GMs in SW's government clan. It's a lot easier with delegations, assuming you have enough people, I just give them little projects to run on their own and help do the general stuffs without stepping on Klia or Malicia's toes..much.

We have...

A GC and a secretary and an undersec responsible for combat. The undersec is also a protector.

A GA, who is ultimately responsible for the internal organisation of the guild, delegating to the Nest Heads (five secretaries).

Five secretaries, each of whom are in charge of a different section of the guild, under the GA and GM's appointment. They are EACH responsible for all that happens within their Nest. They are about to be told off, too, but that's not the point.

Each Nest is meant to have an undersecretary aiding them for their area of the guild. Presently we only have three undersecs, but I have another in mind and we're looking for fifth.

Without exception, each one of these leaders is fairly active, and KNOWS they are responsible for their section.

Why should I have to do their jobs for them, constantly, because certain individuals cannot listen to me the first three times I say something? I do a heck of a lot more than this says....



8.4.1 OFFICE OF GUILDMASTER

The Guildmaster is the nominal head of the guild and represents the guild
on the ruling council of the guild's city or commune. The most
politically powerful of the elected offices, those drawn to this position
must take the 'big picture' view of how the guild shall work with the
city or commune in which it resides.

As a member of the city or commune ruling council, the Guildmaster is
considered part of the city leadership and can confirm appointments of
the city rulers and generally participate in the governing of the city
and commune.

The Guildmaster makes many appointments to guild positions. The most
important appointment is that of the Patron of the guild, which will set
the guild upon its spiritual path (HELP GUILDPATRON).

The responsibilities of the Guildmaster also include appointing the
Secretaries (though only from the pool of Undersecretaries appointed by
the Guild Administrator) and Security (though only from the pool of
Protectors chosen by the Guild Champion).

Finally, the Guildmaster shares responsibility with the Guild Champion in
overseeing the Guild Nexus Powers for the security of the guild and city.



That little bolded part? That means we are MEANT to work with the GC and GA for them, not that we are MEANT to run the damn guild alone.

The Guildmaster position needs a change of name. People cannot seem to distinguish from other IRE realms.

Nest Heads... hehehe