Daevos2005-10-08 00:19:29
Resilience and Combat are prerequisites against warriors, trans them, and learn how to use parry/stances, before complaining. Yes, Lunge and its equivalents go through but good parrying and stancing severely lessens the potential of a warrior to seriously harm you. Lunge and it's equivalents can not be done continously.
Xenthos2005-10-08 00:24:25
Right... that's not quite my question though.
The question is: if you assault their head twice, and then randomly hit legs/arms/gut/chest while you regenerate two power so as to avoid stance (assuming they parry head, which they should if they're at all concerned for their life)... what are the odds of your third assault getting a behead? With the kind of damage you seem to be doing, they won't be applying much at all.
The question is: if you assault their head twice, and then randomly hit legs/arms/gut/chest while you regenerate two power so as to avoid stance (assuming they parry head, which they should if they're at all concerned for their life)... what are the odds of your third assault getting a behead? With the kind of damage you seem to be doing, they won't be applying much at all.
Munsia2005-10-08 00:27:59
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 7 2005, 08:19 PM)
Resilience and Combat are prerequisites against warriors, trans them, and learn how to use parry/stances, before complaining. Yes, Lunge and its equivalents go through but good parrying and stancing severely lessens the potential of a warrior to seriously harm you. Lunge and it's equivalents can not be done continously.
200967
Dont even start this crap. I'm trans combat and assault/lunge goes through the entire skillset combat. and I should not have to trans resilience just so you cant kill me in two hits. you cant honestly say thats balanced
Maybe if I wasnt wearing armour or something but I was
edit: edited misswordings
Daevos2005-10-08 00:28:20
I'm not sure, yes, it's possible that I could get their head to critical with the third assault but that doesn't mean that behead will occur. Also if I was in there situation, I would bother shielding, it is much better to entangle me at that point. While their passive offense assaults me and they can freely heal. It's really not hard to lock down a big warrior, to my everlasting sorrow. Also that advice is only valid if they choose to stand and fight me toe to toe.
Edit: And Munsia, you do have to trans Resilience. It's like if I was inept Magic, and complaining about moonburst annihilating me as I have heard others complain.
Edit: And Munsia, you do have to trans Resilience. It's like if I was inept Magic, and complaining about moonburst annihilating me as I have heard others complain.
Munsia2005-10-08 00:30:30
I didnt shield and there was only like two-three passive effects going at the time since it had just started
Athana2005-10-08 00:30:31
QUOTE(munsia @ Oct 7 2005, 04:27 PM)
Dont even start this crap. I'm trans combat and assault/lunge goes through the entire skillset combat. and I should not have to trans resilience just so you cant kill me in two hits. you cant honestly say thats balanced
Maybe if I wasnt wearing armour or something but I was
edit: edited misswordings
Maybe if I wasnt wearing armour or something but I was
edit: edited misswordings
200972
How high are you in resilience?
Munsia2005-10-08 00:31:40
QUOTE(Athana @ Oct 7 2005, 08:30 PM)
How high are you in resilience?
200975
inept. Cause When I transed combat lunge didnt exist
Unknown2005-10-08 00:43:24
You could make lunge and its equivalents take 6 power?
Xenthos2005-10-08 00:46:51
Umm... right. "Hey, I can lunge at you once with this here one-handed sword for 6 power, or I can lunge at you with this two-handed sword for twice the wounding/damage at the same power cost..."
There's a reason lunge is 2 power and assault is 4.
There's a reason lunge is 2 power and assault is 4.
Munsia2005-10-08 00:48:56
3704h, 3629m, 3926e, 10p exk-
Holding the flame fang of the dark dragon poised at an angle overhead, Daevos
unleashes a violent assault at your head. Daevos cleanly strikes off your
scalp, and blinding pain and blood reverberates across your entire head.
2899h, 3629m, 3926e, 10p exk-
from my other log...
http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.php?showtopic=6404
The first and only hit he got from that fight
Holding the flame fang of the dark dragon poised at an angle overhead, Daevos
unleashes a violent assault at your head. Daevos cleanly strikes off your
scalp, and blinding pain and blood reverberates across your entire head.
2899h, 3629m, 3926e, 10p exk-
from my other log...
http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.php?showtopic=6404
The first and only hit he got from that fight
Unknown2005-10-08 00:49:54
Well, I meant 6 power in total for either a two-handed strike, or two one-handed strikes.
Murphy2005-10-08 00:52:16
I'm sorry munsia, but the game is designed to be balanced at omnitrans, if you dont have trans resilience then you can't stand and complain about damage
Gregori2005-10-08 00:54:40
Except for the fact that people who are Trans resilience are noting the same things, concerning these attacks.
Xenthos2005-10-08 00:56:55
QUOTE(Avaer @ Oct 7 2005, 08:49 PM)
Well, I meant 6 power in total for either a two-handed strike, or two one-handed strikes.
200990
Well... with decent damage/wounding weapons, that might be okay. Keep in mind that Lunge itself is a jab, and doesn't have the same kind of wounds that a swing does.
But if you're using rapiers, why would you lunge? As it is, you chew through a lot of power for a small wounding gain, the only real advantage is that your strikes aren't going to get parried or dodged. With this change, you'd be able to do a whole three lunges with rapiers. What's the point? Just do a double-raze and then have fun dodging around stance/parry.
Even with lunge at 2p, I don't use it that often outside the arena... it's just not that much more effective than what I can do without it, especially against those who have low combat skill.
Edit: The real advantage to lunge is when you have high-damage weapons (and your strength makes them high-wounding as well). What if strength was removed completely from the wounding thing, and it was based entirely off of precision?
Murphy2005-10-08 01:20:55
I use lunge to get bashbrains, even in group combat. I onl have 14 str but my wounding numbers are huge with my 250 precision hammers. Lunge can be useful in lots of circumstances, personally I use it when I need to guarantee a knockdown
Munsia2005-10-08 01:36:37
QUOTE(Murphy @ Oct 7 2005, 08:52 PM)
I'm sorry munsia, but the game is designed to be balanced at omnitrans, if you dont have trans resilience then you can't stand and complain about damage
200991
Omnitrans= 5 trans? so then I suppose next week it will still be the same thing since I'm transing guildskills-
Unknown2005-10-08 01:57:10
OmniTrans should be all trans seeing that Omni in Japanese I think is all
Munsia2005-10-08 01:58:37
see now thats not where balance starts then
Unknown2005-10-08 02:01:31
Cheer up you still beat me. Allthough I would say I was average at best and I have no arties. Also not the same type of warrior but still...
Cwin2005-10-08 02:05:57
Good GODS the information is so conflicting.
I mean, there's a test that has someone at Inept Resilience and a helm that's weaker than a realy good set of greatrobes that required 2 hits to get slit throat. How isn't that comparable to a nonwarrior wearing their greatrobes? Does simply being a warrior automaticly gives a person wounding protection?
I REALY *REALY* want to see a test between a Druid with inept resilience but full defs otherwise take some lunge hits to the head, both with and without healing. I want to know if it realy was past wounds affecting the blow or if Druids are..well, naturaly weaker, or what.
I mean, there's a test that has someone at Inept Resilience and a helm that's weaker than a realy good set of greatrobes that required 2 hits to get slit throat. How isn't that comparable to a nonwarrior wearing their greatrobes? Does simply being a warrior automaticly gives a person wounding protection?
I REALY *REALY* want to see a test between a Druid with inept resilience but full defs otherwise take some lunge hits to the head, both with and without healing. I want to know if it realy was past wounds affecting the blow or if Druids are..well, naturaly weaker, or what.