Hajamin2005-10-09 01:44:07
No.
Bau2005-10-09 01:48:19
Beldaran was an alchemist in Mag, and she used to do them all the time.
Jairdan2005-10-09 03:07:17
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Oct 8 2005, 05:44 PM)
No.
201831
With your track record, I really have no idea whether you're saying 'No' to selling alembics to cities, or 'No' city alchemists can't use the Glom Alembic just because you think they can't
Sylphas2005-10-09 03:10:59
I still don't see why you can't just link them to city/commune nexii, and then sell manse alembics/pentagrams. Obviously this a bad solution if rogues can use them, as they apparently can now (could have sworn it was tested before and didn't work, but you're right about Anarias, and I hadn't known Beldaran was actually IN Magnagora), but if it was changed, I don't see the problem.
Jairdan2005-10-09 03:21:29
Before Glomdoring was a commune, it was required that anyone could use their alembic. Perhaps it just wasn't changed back?
Thorgal2005-10-09 06:50:20
Allowing communes to keep their alchemic monopoly, and cities their enchanting monopoly, without any neutral source like rogues, or denizens.. would be incredibly foolish, and extremely damaging to the game.
All the other IRE games already saw this, I wonder how long it will take the Lusternian staff to realize the same. There isn't even enough supply for allied organizations, let alone to sustain a black market for enemies.
If enchantments would be as vital as alchemy, it might be possible to get forced trade agreements, but since no forestal even needs enchantments, they have nearly all enchantments as guildskills, this will never happen.
All the other IRE games already saw this, I wonder how long it will take the Lusternian staff to realize the same. There isn't even enough supply for allied organizations, let alone to sustain a black market for enemies.
If enchantments would be as vital as alchemy, it might be possible to get forced trade agreements, but since no forestal even needs enchantments, they have nearly all enchantments as guildskills, this will never happen.
Hajamin2005-10-09 07:00:45
QUOTE(Jairdan @ Oct 9 2005, 12:07 PM)
With your track record, I really have no idea whether you're saying 'No' to selling alembics to cities, or 'No' city alchemists can't use the Glom Alembic just because you think they can't
201897
And what exactly do you mean by "With your track record"?
This has already been clearly said, many times, it will NOT happen. Asking for it again and again won't change that.
Ialie2005-10-09 07:10:10
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Oct 9 2005, 02:00 AM)
And what exactly do you mean by "With your track record"?
This has already been clearly said, many times, it will NOT happen. Asking for it again and again won't change that.
This has already been clearly said, many times, it will NOT happen. Asking for it again and again won't change that.
201965
Just because.
Thorgal2005-10-09 07:40:08
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Oct 9 2005, 09:00 AM)
This has already been clearly said, many times, it will NOT happen. Asking for it again and again won't change that.
201965
How do you propose cities get alchemy when the communes ban it? Illegal refills or a black market aren't a possibility, since alembic access can be prevented 100% by locking the door. I'm very curious..
Narsrim2005-10-09 10:24:13
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Oct 9 2005, 03:40 AM)
How do you propose cities get alchemy when the communes ban it? Illegal refills or a black market aren't a possibility, since alembic access can be prevented 100% by locking the door. I'm very curious..
201984
When that happens, your concern might carry more weight, but until such time, it won't.
Thorgal2005-10-09 11:12:24
Thank you for your answer mr. alchemist, how could I ever think there was a problem!?
Seriously now, don't reply if that's all you can come up with.
Seriously now, don't reply if that's all you can come up with.
Gregori2005-10-09 11:14:10
I seriously find it funny that people complain about an Alembic ban like these things are 100% enforcable. I know for a fact when I trade banned Magnagora during the war, that those who wanted potions were getting them, and in large quantities. I find it even more funny since after the war Magnagorans bragged about the fact that they got potions all through it and had no difficulty despite the ban.
Seriously find a better horse to beat. You know damn well that no ban is 100% and that if you want something you can get it. It might mean trying a little harder, but you can still get it.
Seriously find a better horse to beat. You know damn well that no ban is 100% and that if you want something you can get it. It might mean trying a little harder, but you can still get it.
Gregori2005-10-09 11:17:23
Just an afterthought. If you know that this -could- happen wouldn't it behoove your city to oh I don't know.. stockpile those vials that are more difficult to get? Bob sells some, and using the arguement "those are not very good" doesn't count, that is just whining. Cities have shops, lots of them. Thats a hell of alot of vials you can stockpile for a rainy day and sell as needed to your citizens.
Thorgal2005-10-09 11:20:15
It can be 100%, by locking the door and only giving keys to those alchemists you trust entirely. In a city vs commune war, this will happen, you know that just as much as I do.
And the last time we got banned, there were a lot of difficulties finding refills, next to two or three exceptions, the ban hurt badly. And a lot of people quit playing or went inactive untill it got sorted out.
Seriously, denying that alchemy has a devastating effect on politics, just makes you look like a fool. I understand you've got no clue what it's like not being able to get refills, but everyone with an IQ of over 90 should be able to try and place themself into the other's shoes for a moment.
And the last time we got banned, there were a lot of difficulties finding refills, next to two or three exceptions, the ban hurt badly. And a lot of people quit playing or went inactive untill it got sorted out.
Seriously, denying that alchemy has a devastating effect on politics, just makes you look like a fool. I understand you've got no clue what it's like not being able to get refills, but everyone with an IQ of over 90 should be able to try and place themself into the other's shoes for a moment.
Gregori2005-10-09 11:23:40
Thorgal, seriously if you couldn't get your hands on vials then you are the fool. I know damn well that there was someone in Serenwilde refilling regularily for Magnagora. Once again no ban is 100%.
And again, it is quite simple to hoard vials as long as you have access to stockrooms. Maybe Magnagora just hasn't had the lightbulb go on yet, I don't know. I realise whining is easier, but seriously start thinking and stop bitching.
And again, it is quite simple to hoard vials as long as you have access to stockrooms. Maybe Magnagora just hasn't had the lightbulb go on yet, I don't know. I realise whining is easier, but seriously start thinking and stop bitching.
Thorgal2005-10-09 11:23:42
The other IRE games already found out that they need a neutral denizen refiller, or a neutral refiller period, why does it take so long for Lusternia to understand this?
edit: Gregori, you're a forestal, you have easy access to refills, you can enact bans, do you seriously expect me to take you serious if you tell anyone to stop whining about alchemy?
edit: Gregori, you're a forestal, you have easy access to refills, you can enact bans, do you seriously expect me to take you serious if you tell anyone to stop whining about alchemy?
Gregori2005-10-09 11:26:49
Just as seriously as I take you when you whine about it without thinking of how to overcome the problem. There is a solution to every problem. It does not need someone to put a neutral denizen in to solve.
Thorgal2005-10-09 11:28:58
If you don't take my whining serious, then don't reply and shut up.
Practically every non-forestal knows how hard it is getting refills even if there isn't a ban, since there are barely any damn alchemists at all. With a ban, the small amount of alchemists that are even around, vanish as well. The alchemy problem isn't just bans, it's sheer availability and supply.
Practically every non-forestal knows how hard it is getting refills even if there isn't a ban, since there are barely any damn alchemists at all. With a ban, the small amount of alchemists that are even around, vanish as well. The alchemy problem isn't just bans, it's sheer availability and supply.
Thaemorn2005-10-09 11:29:59
You know between the two of you you say 'seriously' almost 1.5 times a post?
EDIT: Seriously, you do.
EDIT: Seriously, you do.
Thorgal2005-10-09 11:32:20
There aren't even enough active alchemists to supply the tiny playerbase we have now, what's it going to be when/if we grow larger? Let alone after adding bans.