Whew...everyone tends to get insulting for null reason. You said the influencers would leave, okay..so the fighters would stay back? Mkay...yeah well...I think it was the fighters that kept Mag and Glom at bay anyway, so who cares about the influencers?

And if you mean that the Druids that kept the demesne moved out, well, then it would've been their fault that it fell to the taint...don't cha get me?


EDIT: Argh...got thrown out 'cause I wrote an answer here...T_T

Malicia,

I don't think you could argue that I'm anything but pro-Celest. However, when I scented the village at first when the Glomdorians were starting to arrive, it was just not feasible to say that Celest had any chance.

After Serenwilde had influenced almost everything, built a mega demesne, and I had hex/wisp traps set everywhere, the situation did change; however, at this point, we had been working to secure it almost entirely by ourselves. The Celestians who were there tended to be moving around in sanctuary (with a few exceptions).

After we were already far ahead of everyone else, it would have been foolish to simply stop and hope that with the fortifications we made, Celest could pull out ahead of Glomdoring. It may have been possible, but it wasn't certain. However, if Serenwilde continued, we had that village in the bag.

There was no malicious intent to Celest. There was just a strong desire to see the village NOT go to Glomdoring.

I wont be arguing. I will just tell facts.
After i come ther i started to influence.
After first 10-15 minutes when all denizens were influenced. We stoped to let seren take it as they had 15+ influencers and we had 3. After 2 hours Gloms and Mags were crashed.
And so if your influencer wasnt fighting, then if they would just leave and only thoe that were fighting would stay we could take it. Except 8 influencers we had there few more fighters. Ichiro (CR1), Ischimoru (CR1), Silimaur (he didnt influencing).
From my point of view we could take but you guys not allowed us to take it.
I'm not the best fighter but situation there was simple. Gloms+MAgs couldnt take it unless all your warriors would left with influencers.

Thats why some people was pissed so much that when thye saw Munsia by Pool they killed her.
I calm guy, but even i was pissed then. Thats why i just QQ. I didnt wanted to do stupid things.

As mentioned We were doing a decent job but SOMEONE was killing the ones we had influenced. Ther's a huge difference between handing us a village an NOT KILLING the people we have influenced.

The point is not whether we could have taken it but the fact that a serenwilder was killing the warves aligned to us and most Serenwilders saw, and let him.


And Kaloerion cleansing a demense is an agressive act. You attacked me fisrt.

I'm enemied to both Southgard and Rockholm already. If it had helped Serenwilde get the village faster, I'd have helped him. The -only- reason not to touch those dwarves is either 1) not your character's RP, or 2) Trying to help Celest. The first is a very valid concern for some people. Some, not all, and I fail to see where it's the COMMUNE's problems. The second I think has been adequately discussed.

Decent? You influence stuff IN SANCTUARY WHEN THERE IS NO REASON. That's makes it decent/2 = crap

Let me highlight some of your facts.

After first 10-15 minutes when all denizens were influenced. We stoped to let seren take it as they had 15+ influencers and we had 3. After 2 hours Gloms and Mags were crashed.

After Serenwilde had defeated the opposition and had the village pretty much secured, then you decided you wanted it back.

Sorry but life doesn't work that way. We had the village, you even admit to backing off due to not having the influencers and letting us have the village. Then turning around later and saying "Oh we changed our minds now!".

Somehow we are the bad guys for saying no?

Plus, is there any benefit to killing someone who has already been influenced? Does it effect the outcome at all?

Nope. Like I said I am pretty sure the moment it is influenced it is added to your total influence power. It isn't a case of how many you currently have influenced, as Serenwilde has lost villages while having everything but a couple things influenced.

So wait... if it doesn't matter, then why do people keep bringing it up like it was "negatively" impacting Celest?

'cause they aren't entirely sure..

I even remember a Divine stating on the forums that Magnagora killing the denizens doesn't do anything for influence, other than give them dwarves. Wonder if I can find that post

Actually I think I can remember that too....

Yes, I remember hearing that too

EDIT: perhaps they were upset at the fact that the denizens under their influence were getting slaughtered rather than it not affecting the outcome of the revolt -just guessing

Roleplay...?

Just for the sake of sanity... don't do a keyword search on Influence and killing... you end up with 5 pages of this thread.

Who, what? Metagaming. It's a new SW trait.

Roleplay wasn't the issue, I assure you. I had three Celestian come to me and were like: We are going to lose now because Serenwilde is killing our influenced villagers. There was no concern over the well being of the dwarves, it was simply: you are taking away the points we earned.

Ok, seriously Malicia, stfu. Just because something is not YOUR RP, or is something YOU don't like, doesn't mean that we're all crappy metagamers. What you want RP to be != Serenwilde RP.

It is already done. Serenwilde has the village, so what is Celest going to do about it? We know Celest can't do a darn thing about it, since even if the city were a powerhouse it would eventually bow to the might of the alchemist. That being the case, and since this was moved from the idiots section, I think we should just move on from here.

As much as people would like to see some commune versus city action, or Celest and Serenwilde go at it, it is just not feasible. It was never really feasible from the get go. The moment Alchemy was only given to the communes insured that any long-term conflict with the cities would always end in the cities’ defeat. There is no way for the cities to fight a war of attrition against the communes, since the cities would not be able to replenish the supplies needed to sustain the fight. (Why do you think Magnagora comes to the aid of Glomdoring so much?) On the other end of the spectrum, the communes could just ignore the supplies they are lacking and only in the possession of the cities, since those supplies are not really critical to maintaining the combat viability of their forces. So, can we end this foolishness?