Well first thing that will come of it is Nejii talking to people like Ibaesha, who were you know... there. Second thing that will come of it will be a long wait because Nejii isn't around for a while, but you go right ahead and burn your bridges and not talk to people who actually were around and have a clue of what was going on.

Oh so much respect that that when Ceres started hunting commune members you told us to deal it with it because it was just Ceres. (Paraphrased of course.)



We are not crusaders against taint we are crusaders against the ruin and destruction caused by the Soulless Gods. Glinshari, Ellindel, the Great Trees, the whole purpose for the founding of the Communes in the Histories. Kethuru is a Soulless God the Taint is his residue.



Maybe the Guard wouldn't have participated but then again the Guard don't have Glinshari and Ellindel. If you care that much for Celest maybe Mali should join them (and I don't mean that in a snide way). I've always respected Mali alot but furthering 'our own gain' is written into the concept of every faction in the game. Ask Lisaera, I bet if all it required was the killing of a few dawrves to take a village, she'd tell us to do it every time.

High Priestess for 13 years afforded Ibaesha no voice to speak, nor any influence with that voice.

Newsflash: I've already talked to citizens.

IV. In the absence of sufficient proof, the word of a Citizen shall at
all times supercede that of a visitor in any matters of conflict,
subject to the discretion of the Star Council or its representatives.

And sure, talking to people who have influence is great, but things won't happen until I can talk to the person who can decide things.

I'm not going to contact Ibaesha for what she said on an OOC forum, because my character has no reason to do so, though I'd be willing to talk if she contacts me IC.

Most of which are either ex Celestian, married to Celestian, or in a Celestian god's Order. It is only natural they would gravitate to an allied clan. Just as many if not more though flatly refused to join and complained quite vocally about the existance of the "alliance".

Of course not, none at all .

Heh. I you.

Malicia's Goddess is a member of the ESA, Gregori. Heh. And how many of those people I listed are married to a Celestian? Try again?

Who complained? You and Laysus? I removed any Serens that weren't of the same mind of the ESA goals.

And yes, Malicia cares about Gregori and what not. It doesn't mean that we'll always agree. If I leave, I leave. It matters not. SW is strong now.

Lisaera was the first person to say the Alliance was a bad name and forced Amaru to change the summary of it. She even stated she was in it to make sure nobody screwed things up.


And please.. note the "either" at the start of that phrase. If you really want a rundown.

Malicia - Married to Amaru (Celestian)
Narsrim - Hajamin's Order
Munsia - Hajamin's Order
Verithrax - Ex Celestian
Leef - Daughter of Amaru and Malicia
Steffan - Son of Amaru and Malicia
Dumihru - Ex Celestian
Nejii - Our "regent" - Isune's Order, not to mention known througout Lusternia as the biggest proactive person in Serenwilde for Celest.

And I'm grateful for it. It ran smoothly indeed.

If you think Lisaera is a member of the ESA for a purpose other then furthering the power of Serenwilde I believe you to be sadly mistaken. I remember quite a clearly an incident when she scolded us for helping celest because it brought the wrath of Magnagora on Serenwilde when we did not have the ability to withstand them. Lisaera has made it quite clear both on the forums and in game that She is a Fanatic and whetever must be done should be done.

Shamarah, the offer wasn't directed at you personally. It was directed towards any Celestian on these forums that would like to take this very IC conflict ingame. As for me, I'm done with it here.

Lisaera has also encouraged us to help Celest. I remember one specific instance, in regards to the influencing of a village.




Gregori, please try not to be so arrogant as to assume that you know the reasons each and every person joined this clan. I didn't not join because Malicia is Amaru's wife.

Leef was a member BEFORE Amaru and I considered her.

Steffan joined because he thought it'd be cool. Not because he's my kid.

I JOINED because together, we're stronger. Magnagora and Glomdoring together can prove to be quite a force at times, as evidenced by the Faethorn conflict and during revolts. I joined so that we could communicate better, during defensive and offensive manuevers. Get over yourself.

And that's really unfair to label Dumi as an ex-Celestian, when she's been with the Serenwilde for god knows how long. She's Seren. I'm assuming that most people who joined, did so to unite as a military-like division against the taint.

You really are full of yourself kiddo.

I suspect only because She thought it in the best interestes of the Serenwilde. Ask her on the order channel some time. Poiting at the ESA and saying Lisaera is a member does not mean she wants us to snuggle Celest. Lisaera has shown herself to be ruthless, cunning, and malicious, as well as fanatical. I consider all of these good things because she does it FOR Serenwilde. Personally I'd like to see all of the Seren be a little more like her.

I still lurve you

I never said Dumi isn't Seren. it doesn't negate the fact that she is an ex-celestian. Because guess what. SHE IS. Just like if you goto Celest. guess what.. you are an EX SEREN. Facts don't go away just because you dislike them. I also never said you joined -because- of Amaru. I said it makes sense that those with ties to Celest would be drawn to the clan. Seriously I think you need to go for a walk and calm down. You are taking this way out of spectrum and finding any reason now to nit pick on.

I still think of Dumihru as Celestine. She was a huge part of the atmosphere of my youth. I still don't like attacking her.

Just for the record though, out of those people you listed in the ESA. 3 of them were influencing quite judicially for Serenwilde. 3 of the bigger names too.

Deciding not to read through all the posts in this thread, can someone sum up what is going on and why the Esa is on the verge of collapsing?

I think -you- need to go and take a walk. Don't assume, is all I'm saying. I'm hardly upset.

Their reasons for joining are their own. You can't sit there and say, 'Well, Malicia's married to Amaru. Makes sense why she'd join.' I was helping Celest before I ever met Amaru.

Bastienne is engaged to Vanthan. She's not a member of the ESA. We have our reasons for joining and you have your reasons for not joining. It was never forced on anyone and I never said that no one from the ESA influenced Southgard.


Can I post here without anyone telling me to 1. Stop whining. 2. Calm down. It's a debate. I'm discussing it. If you can't handle it, sign off. Seriously.