daaamn even 100,000 cr would be sweet.

I want reimbursement!

Crap, just noticed I calculated wrong. Let's fix that.

$16,174.25 / $.66 per credit = 24,506 credits


Yes, forget those last few lines. *cough*

Still, that is a lot.


EDIT: Oh, and if we do it to the cheapest which is .27 a credit...

$16,174.25 / .27 = 24,506 = ~90763 credits

Stay a pacafist and city dweller and have a friend that will hunt with you = the way of aesyra before she was demigod

Personally, I never had very many credits, and what I have I always buy IC.
From my experience, however, often when people gain skills slowly, from IC credits, they have a better, more intimate knowledge of their abilities.

If I had the first two abilities of a given skill for a time, and used them a lot, and then slowly integrated a third, and fourth and so on, I come out in the end with a better understand, and possibly a better system.

Or that's what I say myself to console myself regarding my lack of credits.

I'm entering the Artisnal this month, I was going to enter last month but decided my work wasn't finished.

Just as a note, rats/weevils are the WORST way to make gold in Lusternia.

Oh, definaly don't touch the weevils. Weevils/rats are the tool of novices and desperate players (it's one of the few things you can do when EVERY other quest is done and you have no vials, weapons, or anything else). You'll not only earn more, but also be much happier figuring out those quests and learning what NPCs sell well when killed. One of the things I like most about Lusternia is the fact that you can earn money so many different ways.

Myself, I always hated pure mindless bashing. It's why I could never have been an Evercrack addict. It's why I eventualy had to give up RO (that and I was realy too broke to have started playing it in the first place), and why Aardwolf eventualy bored me. Kill 5000 things to level. Kill 6000 things for $40k. Kill 90k things and quit.

As such, I don't do alot of bashing now, even Influence-style bashing. Instead, I run around the villages questing, travel the mountaints to hunt Scholars, perhaps bash a few things because it gives both gold and comms/power to my nation, and maybe do a quick run through Krokanis. If I want a complete change around I'll work my trade skill a little (doesn't give near enough as much cash, but it does give a profit and it's neat anyway). If I need something even MORE different, I'll try to learn about new quests/areas/events, which earns almost no money but good for later on.

It still makes for long traveling, but it's traveling along a smooth road instead of Avechna's Peak.

All of your recommendations and calculations are based on the assumption that the various methods of gaining gold are not being constantly fought over by other players.

e.g.: I used to love circling the mountains, pick up 1500+ gold in no time, trashing moose and rockeaters. Then the scholars were introduced, and suddenly everybody and his brother is up in the mountains, and I consider it a good trip if I can make 1000 gold, even with the extra money supposedly available from scholars. ("We're up here anyway. Might as well de-populate.")

And quests? I love puzzles. I'd love to be making money from quests. And I do make some, off scholars and such. But as far as the big quests go, guess what? 75% of the time, when I go to check one out, it's already been completed. And 75% of the remaining 25%? I'm scrambling against the clock to beat someone else -- usually somebody else who's already completed the quest (or else been mentored by someone has), and knows exactly what to do, and knows immediately whether somebody else has picked up a crucial piece of the puzzle and he's just wasting his time. Me, I'm always left floundering around, wondering whether I'm just not getting it, or if the solution's simply not there to get.

Closest I've ever come to completing an honours quest is in Shanthmark. One crystal away from completing it. And to this day I don't know if that was because of the rumored bug or because I just failed on my own merits.

Rats and weevils? I can make maybe 3,000 in an hour, and they're always there. Always. Rats and weevils were awful for knight characters before the revisions (don't know now), but anyone with a nature curse has always had an easy source of pocket money if they bothered.

Do I hunt them anymore myself? Only when I'm leading a group hunt through the sewers, and then mostly for fun and some cash on the side. Not much gold in the Celest sewers other than from selling rats. But I'm level 76 and blessed with useful skills and artifacts and lots of credits.

They still remain the one good, reliable source of income that's universally available and from which no one gets elbowed out by the people more skilled or desperate to claim it.

The amount of available gold is finite, limited by time, and has to be divided among the active players. People who don't have to go out there and get it... especially getting it as a new arrival trying to work up from the very beginning... seem to forget that.

The honors quests are always a tricky thing. Until you know a quest by heart it's hard to complete them. Once you know how to do 3 or so without looking then it becomes possible to use them as a large part of your income. They are contested, but not always so. Oh, as for Shantmark, I believe it was buggy before. Now it's working properly, but finding all the possible locations is tricky.

Rats ARE the 'reliable' source, though. It's not the fastest, but it is dependable and, if you can do it without going crazy, a worthy enough way of earning gold.

But the more people who do come in and manage to learn them by heart, the more hotly they'll be contested, and the harder it will be for everyone else to figure out. They pretty much remain the private income source of a select group.

Wish I knew the solution to this. It's just always bugged me, because I'd like to solve the puzzles very much, but it's just generally not worth the grief, and the grief only gets greater as time goes by.

This is one case where I agree with Exarius. I like quests and enjoy figuring them out. Unfortunately, I've never managed to do so in an IRE game due to other people interfering constantly or the items decaying on me so bloody quickly.

To be honest, the only way I can think of to fix this sort of thing is to 'instance' quests so that only you and your party (if applicable) actually exist for the quest to be completed. No worrying about other people griefing or otherwise inadvertantly screwing up your trials.

Never seen it done in a MUD though. Don't even know if it's possible. Unfortunately, it's the only thing I can think of.

My calculations are based on current situations. There are enough quests out there, not counting in honours quests, that are not done that you can still gain 10k an hour from only quests. It's the same with experience, some people have found places that give good experience that almost no one else hunts in. It's just a matter of getting out there and looking.

On the note of too many people for everyone to have a choice, I think we've shown that as more players come we grow to fit the needs. Which means more area's will always be coming.

THANK YOU! almost noone agrees with me on that

If i go on trip for gold i can get 10k in half an hour now. But i know where to look.

Share the love? I have skills to re-learn and my OOC credit resistance forcefield is still in effect.

*peer* i made at least a hundred credits ratting in the early days..though then they only costed 1k per

Me too, but i was jumping from one quest to another. And i was healer so i didnt need herbs when bashing and i i was bashing witchout health potions, that was insane if i think about it now, Celestine with 10 const dont have much health.
It was like hit, hit, shield/run, chant puella and again hit, hit, run.

Putrefaction.

I know

I was teaching Gruhk on what to hunt in Glomdoring, then he go on astral and was like hey c'mon here, me ok, trasverse astral, lobstroisty hit me twice and i'm dead.

Astral isnt place for Celestine merian.
I had to hit, fly puella, land hit and so on to hunt there and if any other lobstrosity come when i was there i was dead

And now when i can bush there as Human Paladin there is no Astral!!
Its not funny!