So I'm in estelbar influencing and waiting for the quest to come back, cause I've never done it and I'd like to try.

Luthe comes in, and my nymph passifys his slaugh(sp?) meaning he's already got them aggro to me.

I call on CT that Luthe is attacking in Estelbar and leave the room, he attacks a Furrikin.

he follows a few rooms, Munsia flows in, runs after him, I flow to him, vine him, he runs, I try to Wisp, he's already gone.

I ask munsia why he did that, she says to lose status on me, I check. and Poof, the status for him jumping me randomly a little while ago is gone

So in summery, don't defend your villagers/ own territory, cause then you'll lose status.

WHY is it like this?

I had pk careful on, I didn't declare him, he attacked me first, I had status on him, HE is a commune enemy... and somehow him raiding and me defending a village makes me lose status...

i believe it was due to the fact that he may have been enemied to estelbar so he was in enemy teritory, if that was the case i believe he would lose status on you, but i am not 100% sure.

ok, that makes LESS sence, in enemy territory you should have -no- protection from Avechna.

I thought Avechna was to protect people from being jumped constantly within the neutral areas. What point is there to doing anything in enemy territory if you'll just get avengered to hell if you win?

Avenger asumes you are being picked on a by a person you can't defend yourself against. If you attack them for any reason then Avnechas says that you can defend yourself and don't need its protection.

Well whats crap is people hit me all the time in enemy territory and I never lose status no fair

Enemy territory should not be covered by Avechna. You should not suffer increased experience loss from dying in enemy territory.

You should always conglutinate from within allied territory, be it home city or allied village.

It's somewhat of a mess right now, and it's really not fun either as attacker or defender.

double post there Mel

Ok, what I'm saying is Luthe jumped me on neutral territory, I didn't attack back because ethelon was there to(another little abuse, if I had attacked back, Ethelon would have defending Luthe, killing me, I would have been double dead, and without status) it was quick, they wisped, I died, had vitae up, moved on. Got status, was protected.

Now, he comes into estelbar trying to provoke me into vining him, it's just... wrong, just to, I assume be able to kill me some time later when I'm hunting. If PK careful didn't keep be from attacking him because he was an enemy and in my territory, then I shouldn't have lost status on him.

If I "should" lose status according to the gods, then pk careful should tell me "whoa there, you sure you want to do that?"

I can remember Munsia taunting Shayle about how she couldn't keep suspect and defend villages. I have to agree, the system is just backwards.

Ya, I don't care where you're from (commune city, taint, whatever) there should be room in there for "defencive fighters" which is how I like to think of myself.

1: Ok this makes people want to raid even MORE. The game wasnt designed for a raid fest
2: already do

1: The restrictions are simply too harsh, it has nothing to do with anything other than that. Are you arguing that the current restrictions are the best possible for the health of the realm, assuming that is the overarching goal?

2: Last time I died in an allied village, I sure didn't conglutinate. I prayed.

If you defend someone who declared against someone else they get put into a group... so if ehtelon defended luthe and they killed you then you would of had suspect on both of them.

Assuming it even allowed them to defend (which it shouldn't)

No, you don't understand, these were seperate instances.

He attacked the village for one reason, to get off my suspect list for jumping me as I was hunting, the 2 things happened like 10 days apart IRL