Dreamweavers

by Daevos

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Alger2005-10-17 07:45:11
I find it unfair that one person has a fair chance of killing you without you having a fair chance of killing that person because you simply do not have any effective options to go with.
Unknown2005-10-17 07:51:22
What would you suggest be changed?

Edit: Also, don't assume the methods you have available aren't effective, just because I don't die every time.
Narsrim2005-10-17 07:55:52
Upon casting Violet, Viravain appears and kill Elryn.

That's my suggestion.
Daevos2005-10-17 07:56:24
Absinthe should be done away with, and Violet/Kether should have a standard range of damage, and not be effected by intelligence.
Unknown2005-10-17 07:57:44
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 17 2005, 07:56 AM)
Absinthe should be done away with, and Violet/Kether shouldn't be effected by intelligence.
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I mean reasonable suggestions.

That is like me suggesting surge be done away with, and knight attacks not affected by strength.

Edit:

What amount of intelligence did you actually have, Daevos?

QUOTE
5510h, 7015m, 516e, 4p, 12180en, 15606w xkp@-
Pressing his hands together before him, Daevos bows his head and a violet light
springs forth from the crown of his head and strikes out at you, ripping apart
your very essence.
4697h, 7015m, 774e, 4p, 12180en, 15606w xkp@-

...

4874h, 6965m, 774e, 6p, 12180en, 14968w xkp@-
Pressing his hands together before him, Daevos bows his head and a violet light
springs forth from the crown of his head and strikes out at you, ripping apart
your very essence.
4061h, 6965m, 774e, 6p, 12180en, 14968w xkp@-


813 damage each time. I wish my main cudgel attack did that much damage.
Narsrim2005-10-17 07:58:03
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 17 2005, 03:56 AM)
Absinthe should be done away with, and Violet/Kether shouldn't be effected by intelligence.
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I'm glad we voted to suggest a non reasonable change - next.
Narsrim2005-10-17 08:01:00
QUOTE(Avaer @ Oct 17 2005, 03:57 AM)
I mean reasonable suggestions.

That is like me suggesting surge be done away with, and knight attacks not affected by strength.
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Come to think about it. I'll gladly trade surge/knight attacks effected by strength to get rid of absinthe... this is win-win kiss.gif
Unknown2005-10-17 08:02:56
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 17 2005, 07:55 AM)
Upon casting Violet, Viravain appears and kill Elryn.

That's my suggestion.
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Erk, don't joke about that! zap.gif
Daevos2005-10-17 08:09:55
The difference between Surge and Absinthe is quite clear. Simply because the only way to kill a dreamweaver is by damage killing them, which absinthe counters to a extent. Although the same does not hold true for a surged knight who unlike the dreamweaver is not immune to afflictions or instant kills.

Also on Violet/Kether, they are the only method available to every one in the realm to combat dreamweavers, so their effectiveness should not be judged by something that can not be balanced among all archetypes. Do we expect Mages to kill with swords? Or Guardians to kill with staff casts?
Hajamin2005-10-17 08:23:44
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 17 2005, 05:09 PM)
The difference between Surge and Absinthe is quite clear. Simply because the only way to kill a dreamweaver is by damage killing them, which absinthe counters to a extent. Although the same does not hold true for a surged knight who unlike the dreamweaver is not immune to afflictions or instant kills.

Also on Violet/Kether, they are the only method available to every one in the realm to combat dreamweavers, so their effectiveness should not be judged by something that can not be balanced among all archetypes. Do we expect Mages to kill with swords? Or Guardians to kill with staff casts?
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You are using a magical attack to attack someone in a magically induced phase... by your reasoning you shouldn't even have access to that.
Daevos2005-10-17 08:32:50
I don't see how you could come to that conclusion. My point was in a regular fight, there are many forms of attack, which allows each archetype to specialize in the forms that best suit them. But in a dreamweaver fight, all that matters is Kether/Violet. Those two skills are the only way to defend yourself against a dreamweaver. And it is for that very reason, that they should not be only effective for players with high int.
Sylphas2005-10-17 08:46:37
Define effective. If he had a coven of Moondancers healing his body, you would never kill him, unless Kether/Violet were truly ridiculous. What would you change then?

Also, you used Metawake and Focus Mind when facing a mana instakill. Being put to sleep isn't too much of a problem. Stay that way a few seconds each time, you'll eventually stop passing out. They will never kill you with straight damage, and their afflictions are pretty easy to cure. And if you have a nice sip, sparkleberries, and metawake, they can't do much of anything to you at all.
Munsia2005-10-17 08:53:21
He cant channel when you're asleep
Murphy2005-10-17 08:55:04
giving druids a half mana instakill is quite stupid.

Demesne's are already mana intensive with the bleed and focus, it's like giving ME a half health instakill. They should never have had it in the first place.
Munsia2005-10-17 08:55:49
Murphy you realize to do this instantkill you have to be dreamweaving?
Sylphas2005-10-17 08:56:43
And that no one in single combat is ever going to be dreamweaving, unless you're so screwed up it doesn't really matter? (Assuming you're in their demesne, and they didn't dreamwalk from somewhere safe.)
Munsia2005-10-17 08:59:53
notice how they are all complaining about our demesne? See this is why skills shouldnt really ever be discussed cause the person whining only looks at one side.
murphy if we were to look at it from your perspective ( a demesne in play) a geomancer would probably kill you alot faster with the instantkill because they have a stun that goes through protection scrolls
Murphy2005-10-17 09:04:42
excatly, a geomancer shouldn't get it either. I find it appauling that a geo dreamer can passively make you so tired and hubgry you can't fight, with the only method to eat food and sleep it off.

not to mentin you CAN go into dreamform while fighting
Munsia2005-10-17 09:08:48
QUOTE(Murphy @ Oct 17 2005, 05:04 AM)
excatly, a geomancer shouldn't get it either. I find it appauling that a geo dreamer can passively make you so tired and hubgry you can't fight, with the only method to eat food and sleep it off.

not to mentin you CAN go into dreamform while fighting
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Druid demesne would wake you up
Murphy2005-10-17 09:17:57
being super happy funtime ultra tired will just mean you have to wait a few seconds before trying it again.

Mages should never have gotten a half mana instakill