Anytime you are hit with a damage attack, you awaken.

Lightning, Jellyfish, and Rockslide all wake you up... so why is this relevant?

Because as the log shows, to use Eternal Sleep, you only need them asleep a fraction of a second.

In dream form with 8p.

deepsleep is 3p per I think.. slumber is free and drowse is free but takes much more time. Not to mention having to save power for a bodysnap and all that willpower

What the log proved was daevos sucks at defending against dreamweaving. Thats not a bad thing. Thats not a good thing. He learned something now he can learn from his mistakes. And I dont know why you are complaining cause I've seen Gregori and others kill without eternalsleep.. you ever tried killing with nightmare? its almost impossible

*sigh*

When being attacked by a dreamweaver, you have a number of objectives:

o Don't fall asleep for longer than a second.
o Don't drop to zero health.
o Don't drop below half mana, and then fall asleep.

The only true danger of dreamweaving comes from exhaustion, which is always what I go for first. It costs ~ 12 power to achieve for most races, and quite a while if you keep yourself alert. The best goal in being attacked by a dreamweaver is dealing with them before you let them make you exhausted. Violet/kether is -very- powerful after the upgrade, and there's no way I can stay in the room if it's a high int race. If you're a low int race, you're going to need backup. The best way is just to escape, of course.

If you reach exhaustion, then you need to be prepared for a mana kill and keep your mana up. If you do this, you still have very little to fear. I used to find it incredibly frustrating trying to attack people with kafe/insomnia/metawake, because even exhausted if you're waking up instantly there's nothing they can do.

Let's remember, with the right combination of weaponry and preparation, a warrior can kill me in two combos, with not a thing I can do about it unless I leave. Two combos. Not half a dozen drowses, then half a dozen mental saps, continuing to try and stick stupidity and so on. TWO COMBOS. Can dreamweavers use two hits and be guaranteed a death?

Let's also remember that a dreamweaver does have another way of being killed other than violet/kether/psionics/dreamweaving.

Divine! We must enslit the divine's help to combat this ever growing plauge of Dreamweavers!

They already gave out the cure - Psionics and Ecology.

Seeing as I don't have either Psionics or Ecology anyone know the skills in there to combat it? I don't think I'll have to worry though, a dreamweaver wouldn't be stupid to attack me, I'd just climb up, stay up in the tree, ask if there was anyone around to violet/kaether, and if not *shrug* staying up in a tree is fine with me.

Trees

Mistakes were made that lead to Daevos' death. I do give credit to Elryn for getting a kill on Daevos with Eternal Sleep without the aid of another, but in all fairness he should not have been able to if Daevos did not make those critical mistakes.

Also mana below half the target's maximum.

This seems like a reasonable request. Let us delve further into this.


Anyhow. I don't see what the complaint is. It's far easier for warriors to pull off instakills with lunge/crush/assault than it is for a dreamweaver to use eternal sleep. I don't have much to say on this. I don't like complaining about -every- little ability in the game.

The coders should just quit and let the Mag players code us up a batch of ultimate balance! They are wise. They know all.

Ya, I think that dreamweavers -did- need this, we have what? 2 dreamweavers in the whole Mud? Elryn had actually changed to Ecology, and well I can't speak for thaemorn, not sure if he was planing on moving as well, but when you have so few in a skill it kinda means that they needed something deepsleep made the skill useable again.

so, did they need it? yes they did. Deepsleep that is

As for the Linking, I'm not sure how that works myself so I won't comment on that.

Let me just add a few points.

Pretty much every dreamweaving ability you use takes 300wp, even if it fails due to lack of eq.

Don't bring up OMG imagine what a mugwump dreamer could do... Do you have any idea what a mugwump kethering can do? Ethelon and Kaervas killed me with three Kethers. 1.5 each. Very quickly, and that was with absinthe.

You can't channel mana while they're asleep.

Yes, link can be avoided. No, I'm not going to give a detailed list. Got a problem with it, see: Succumb.

Pretty much the only way to get someone with metawake, or with kafe and good triggers, to fall asleep AND have a chance of getting the instant-kill, assuming they're at half-mana - is Deepsleep. 12 power all up if they're rested, and I think 1.6k willpower. Let me point out that I tried to use this on Alger, he found a way to escape, 2 or 3 times over.

If your problem is low mana, that's not our problem. We can use the tried and true defence demonstrated by warriors in response to the argument on high damage. "But there's so much you can do raise it!"

Ixion can deal 2k damage to me, unblockable by shield, faeleaf, or the stancing and parrying I've put almost 250cr into Combat to be made near redundant in that kind of fight.
Kaervas can deal close to 1.5k damage to me every 3 seconds. That's not in his demesne.

An instant-kill that IS very difficult to pull off against people that figure out the basic ways to deal with it, is very costly, CAN be run from, and said dreamweaver can generally be chased off 2 kether/violeters... I just can't see that as being unreasonable.

Precisely.

Thaemorn makes an excellent point here. For 2 power, crush/lunge (4 for assault) bypasses all defenses, utterly negating a 300cr Combat skillset. Mmmm, gotta love it.

I find these damage complaints more and more hilarious.

Geb does more damage than any knight in realms, and it's unblockable damage for 0 power.

Malicia, last time I checked, the around 1300cr I paid for my swords >> 300cr. Yep, pretty sure there.

Edit: That isn't including the hundreds of hours you need to forge the weapons. Uber elite swords are one on 600 or more forges (or for people like Melanchthon who go for the very best of the elite stats, one in 1200 forges).. Given that forging one sword takes several minutes, it turns out to be hundreds upon hundreds of hours of forging, with or without a Forging Hammer.

Oh. Geb can staff through shield now? Let's take into account that Geb paid his good cash for arties too, to up his damage. He's a soft target still.

Mages should be powerful. They're pretty frail. You're tanky and damaging. Next?

Unblockable? Have you heard of using evoke pentagram? Also if we are talking about what we paid, you can't complain about my damage since I paid 1600 for my Scepter (going by your argument).

The point was that comparing my damage or yours to any dreamweaving ability is silly.

Have you heard of common sense? Of course pent stops it, but no parrying stancing rebounding dodging slows your damage output. End o' story.