Wisp/Flow Changes

by Ethelon

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Munsia2005-10-18 03:51:04
QUOTE(Ethelon @ Oct 17 2005, 11:50 PM)
since I'm not in the "circle of trust"
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Damn right you're not angry.gif You insult on the forums too much
Shayle2005-10-18 03:51:12
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 17 2005, 10:49 PM)
Plus, I said I don't like it. I'd love for it to be changed back.
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Here's an idea:

If you don't like it, don't do it.
Munsia2005-10-18 03:52:04
QUOTE(Shayle @ Oct 17 2005, 11:51 PM)
Here's an idea:

If you don't like it, don't do it.
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The fact is.. if he doesnt do it it's going to stay sleep.gif
Shayle2005-10-18 03:52:42
QUOTE(munsia @ Oct 17 2005, 10:52 PM)
The fact is.. if he doesnt do it it's going to stay  sleep.gif
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Is that the fact? Really? Or just....another lame excuse?
Narsrim2005-10-18 03:54:16
QUOTE(Viravain @ Oct 17 2005, 11:46 PM)
I don't particularly understand using (or allegedly abusing) something if you think it's not fair, but I suppose that is why people tend to quote, 'Do what I say, not what I do'.

Players should have fun in what they do, but remember, the other people playing are looking for the exact same thing. You can be a considerable foe without being one of those dastardly 'griefers' you all seem so against.
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Narsrim is a man of tactics. He likes to test people, to find out how they work and how they will respond. Above all, I think this is his greatest talent on the combat field.

Narsrim didn't attack anyone in Glomdoring. He snuck into the forest, announced his presence, allowed his foes to chase him briefly, and then fell back into a secure position outside of the forest. He waited to see if they would declare him (which they all did... and there was no reason because you don't need to declare someone in enemy territory) and attack.

Narsrim didn't attack until he was attacked. Whereas he manipulated the situation to likely ensure that, that's him being devious and wicked.

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In sum, I didn't use flow to attack anyone. I didn't use it to sneak in, attack someone, and poof out. I used it to manipulate others into attacking me and then responding. Was it "nice" or "kind"? No. Narsrim is nothing of the sort. However, he also was smart enough to make himself the victim (at least in the eyes of Avechna)... which I feel was both creative and a good lesson for the people who died. You learn these things through experience.
Viravain2005-10-18 03:55:36
Sorry to disappoint you, but forcing a feature to the point it could be considered abusive just to get it changed is not going to win you brownie points.
Munsia2005-10-18 03:55:39
QUOTE(Shayle @ Oct 17 2005, 11:52 PM)
Is that the fact?  Really?  Or just....another lame excuse?
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dont be sore cause you idiots flowed to us laugh.gif The way to get something nerfed is to use it alot and show it is overpowered. Poor ecology
Narsrim2005-10-18 03:55:42
To clarify, I don't like the ability to use flow offensively to run in, kill someone, and poof out. I didn't do that at all. They flowed to me and attacked me.
Narsrim2005-10-18 03:57:21
QUOTE(Viravain @ Oct 17 2005, 11:55 PM)
Sorry to disappoint you, but forcing a feature to the point it could be considered abusive just to get it changed is not going to win you brownie points.
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I could have theoretically done the same act with teleport, spores, summon, etc. Furthermore, I never said this was about abuse. I don't like the tactic because of the potential it creates to offensively poof in an army, attack someone, and then exit.

I never did this. I never attacked anyone in Glomdoring.

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However, the act showed in my opinion how the tactic could be used offensively without actually doing so. Like I said, I had no intent of attacking anyone as I can't handle having anymore suspects at the moment. They, however, were foolish enough to leave Glomdoring and attack me (and I did almost die)... so the player deaths that resulted were not "forcing flow to be abusive." It might have been if I actually flowed to them, killed them, and flowed out - but I didn't do that.
Viravain2005-10-18 03:59:49
My apologies, I forgot to quote what that was in response to, Narsrim. I was referring to Munsia's comments of
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The fact is.. if he doesnt do it it's going to stay
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The way to get something nerfed is to use it alot and show it is overpowered.
Shayle2005-10-18 04:00:02
QUOTE(munsia @ Oct 17 2005, 10:55 PM)
dont be sore cause you idiots flowed to us  laugh.gif  The way to get something nerfed is to use it alot and show it is overpowered. Poor ecology
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I'm not sore about the first time. I'm sore about the following times, after it had been established that Narsrim "doesn't like it." You know, when he was just doing it, oh, cause he can? No wait. To prove his point, for the Admins, you know...as is his duty.

That's what has me angry.
Narsrim2005-10-18 04:13:44
QUOTE(Shayle @ Oct 18 2005, 12:00 AM)
I'm not sore about the first time.  I'm sore about the following times, after it had been established that Narsrim "doesn't like it."  You know, when he was just doing it, oh, cause he can? No wait. To prove his point, for the Admins, you know...as is his duty. 

That's what has me angry.
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My dear, I didn't attack anyone in Glomdoring. If I had, you may have some claim in that, but I didn't.
Ethelon2005-10-18 04:28:18
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 17 2005, 11:57 PM)
I could have theoretically done the same act with teleport, spores, summon, etc. Furthermore, I never said this was about abuse. I don't like the tactic because of the potential it creates to offensively poof in an army, attack someone, and then exit.

I never did this. I never attacked anyone in Glomdoring.

EDIT:

However, the act showed in my opinion how the tactic could be used offensively without actually doing so. Like I said, I had no intent of attacking anyone as I can't handle having anymore suspects at the moment. They, however, were foolish enough to leave Glomdoring and attack me (and I did almost die)... so the player deaths that resulted were not "forcing flow to be abusive." It might have been if I actually flowed to them, killed them, and flowed out - but I didn't do that.
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You either have the worst memory or you can't tell your own lies apart. Here...try and recall last night where you killed Titania and Tharruk...


ohhhh, the Mystic Laboratory must not be considered Glomdoring...
Narsrim2005-10-18 04:34:00
QUOTE(Ethelon @ Oct 18 2005, 12:28 AM)
You either have the worst memory or you can't tell your own lies apart. Here...try and recall last night where you killed Titania and Tharruk...
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Yes, I had some reasons to kill Tharruk. Titania wouldn't have been attacked except she *gasp* declared me and attacked. Munsia and I then claimed the Glomdoring alembic in the name of the D'cente` family and it took Ixion, Daevos, Alger, and company to flush us out (no pun intended).

I didn't poof in an army, attack tharruk, and poof out. In fact, we didn't even keep the forest tainted. Munsia put up a natural forest while I killed him. I could have just as easily walked into Glomdoring in trees and done the exact same thing. In fact, I later did walk into Glomdoring via trees to play hide and seek. I know a hidden room in Glomdoring that like 95% of Glomdoring does not. It was fun to watch them try to chase me down and not be able to find me.
Narsrim2005-10-18 04:34:41
However, after I declared that I didn't like the tactic (after seeing first hand how powerful it can be), I have yet to flow in, attack, flow out.
Ethelon2005-10-18 04:40:59
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 18 2005, 12:34 AM)
However, after I declared that I didn't like the tactic (after seeing first hand how powerful it can be), I have yet to flow in, attack, flow out.
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Heh, so you only admit to your lies when caught like that. Hmmmm, why do you even talk Narsrim when near everything you say is to inflate your own ego or cover up your own falsehoods.
Xenthos2005-10-18 04:44:32
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 17 2005, 11:54 PM)
Narsrim didn't attack anyone in Glomdoring. He snuck into the forest, announced his presence, allowed his foes to chase him briefly, and then fell back into a secure position outside of the forest. He waited to see if they would declare him (which they all did... and there was no reason because you don't need to declare someone in enemy territory) and attack.
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Umm... I can nearly guarantee that they didn't declare you either. The game itself auto-declares when you attack someone in enemy territory, but if they die in that territory there's no suspect. If you leave, there is suspect. However, the declare REMAINS.

Saying that Titania declared is bull, the only "declaration" was her trying to remove *an enemy* from the alembic. Same with everyone who chased you. Not ONE of them KNOWINGLY declared you. So don't try to hide behind that, you purposely lured people out into areas where they would have to pray because they thought you were in the forest and abused the auto-declare in defence.
Shorlen2005-10-18 04:50:01
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Oct 18 2005, 12:44 AM)
Umm... I can nearly guarantee that they didn't declare you either.  The game itself auto-declares when you attack someone in enemy territory, but if they die in that territory there's no suspect.  If you leave, there is suspect.  However, the declare REMAINS.

Saying that Titania declared is bull, the only "declaration" was her trying to remove *an enemy* from the alembic.  Same with everyone who chased you.  Not ONE of them KNOWINGLY declared you.  So don't try to hide behind that, you purposely lured people out into areas where they would have to pray because they thought you were in the forest and abused the auto-declare in defence.
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I thought this tactic was horribly lame and abusive when Ceres did it to us, and I still think it's horribly lame and abusive when Narsrim and Munsia do it to others. Abusing auto-declare is just about as low as you can go, if you ask me. But noone actually asked me, so I'll stop talking.
Xenthos2005-10-18 04:52:52
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Oct 18 2005, 12:50 AM)
I thought this tactic was horribly lame and abusive when Ceres did it to us, and I still think it's horribly lame and abusive when Narsrim and Munsia do it to others. Abusing auto-declare is just about as low as you can go, if you ask me. But noone actually asked me, so I'll stop talking.
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While I may not have asked you, I whole-heartedly agree. I thought it was **** back when Munsia was doing it to lure people to Serenwilde's guards and the extra enemy experience loss, as well. And no, it wasn't all right when our members were doing it in response, either.
Narsrim2005-10-18 04:55:51
Auto declare does not work like that at all.