Care to go test that? It's worked like that every time I've ever experienced the situation. And Shorlen as well, it would appear.

Titania was slain in Glomdoring. She could have attacked me without declaring period; however, she had to have declared as I was able to attack her (in glomdoring) and kill her without gain suspect.

Furthermore, when people flow to you outside of enemy territory, they have to redeclare you. I fight all the time and if I chase someone from enemy territory out of it, I CANNOT attack them unless I declare. Once I declare, I sacrifice any avenger protection if they would in turn kill me.

I don't like this false accusations. What's the basis for you to say if someone did or did not declare when you weren't even aware of the scenario such as Titania as the only possible way for me to kill in IN GLOMDORING and not gain suspect was if she declared me.

Except she didn't declare you, since you were in ENEMY territory. The game itself put through a declaration, didn't even send her a peep saying "Hey, you're declaring." Right?

And besides, if you're slaughtering people in Glomdoring, why SHOULDN'T you get suspect, even if they attack first? You are the one raiding, not them. They are just trying to get you out.

Edit: And if you don't like "false" accusations, you could always not put yourself in a situation where it occurs. I don't see where I falsely accused you of anything. You appear to not know how the auto-declare works. If you are in the Glomdoring, and I attack you, WHETHER I TYPE DECLARE OR NOT, you can kill me freely. If you have suspect on me and I attack you, you lose that suspect and can then kill me freely without getting it back. It's free license.

I remember that. I flowed in. yelled something. flowed out. yall flowed to me right into guards.

Ok. I've tested this and I have log to prove it if I must post it. I wasn't aware but it does appears there is some hidden auto-declare that seriously needs to go. It works like this:

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If you attack an enemy in a territory they are enemied to, there is an autodeclare. If you slay the enemy, you do no again suspect.

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If you attack an enemy in territory they are enemied to and die, you gain suspect.

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If you attack anyone anywhere and declare them and die, you do /not/ gain suspect.

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Therefore, the only possible way that I didn't gain suspect on Titania is she declared me. She attacked me at the Glomdoring alembic and was slain at the Glomdoring alembic.

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That doesn't make sense. Alger has attacked me in the Sea of Despair before when I had killed him. He was able to attack me without declaring (because I was in enemy territory) and as a result, I could not attack him (because I still had suspect). I imagine this is a recent change that addresses this issue, but it certainly created another.

This isn't right. I have a LOT of experience dying to enemies in our territory. I rarely, if ever, declare (hence why I have 0 victims). My last "actual" victim was Cronnacht who got Conclaved out of enemy territory and died at the Mother. Malicia killed me all the time... if I attack her first, she can freely kill me without suspect. If she is the one who declares first, I'm free for some time.

Same with Amaru, or any of their other large group.

And that is due to the auto-declare, it functions as if you typed "declare so-and-so" without you actually doing so.

And to your post- the seas seem to have bugs surrounding the suspect thing, evidenced by other posts on the forums. You can't really use them to gage how it works elsewhere. I'm going off of my experience in Glomdoring, Rockholm, Paavik, Stewartsville, and Southgard.

Narsrim.... seriously, stop this man, everyone who knows anything about fighting KNEW about the auto-declare when defending in enemy territory, which is what happened with Titania. To say you didn't is pure BS, which seems to be the common practice with you. Everyone knows you are lieing out your arse so there is no use defending yourself, it's only making it look worse on your part.

Well, in his favour, I don't think he defends much. MAYBE he didn't know about it. MAYBE. But it's still ****.

I honestly had no idea. I even pulled Diamante aside to test it just to make sure. In my defense, I can't think of a time I've died defending in home territory in a very long time; however, I will ensure this doesn't happen again. That's really only the best I can do.

Ethelon,

I would appreciate if you could post your point of view without resorting to personal attacks. I am growing quite tired of every post you write about me being filled with propaganda that is off topic or irrelevant.

I realize you are of the opinion that you are incapable of doing wrong. That's fine, and I hope it gets you where you so desire. However, I never claimed that I was perfect and I do make mistakes. I didn't know autodeclare worked as it does. I just assumed everyone was declaring me. I don't like how it works. And to be entirely honest, wtf is still like this if everyone has known about it?

Is it intended to be this way? I hope not...

Ok, I will believe you didn't know about that since noone ever raids Serenwilde, but I assumed you had heard about it since it was talked about before. I'm not innocent at all, but I do admit to my faults, like when I whored Statues... I accept my faults, which I've never seen you do when you knowingly abuse or use something that is obviously coded wrong (Aside from this time). No one is denying that your are great with tactics or fighting, you are damn good, but there are just faults you have, as we all do.

And apparently this is how the auto-defend/declare is supposed to be.

Well, I think we have become far to hostile with each other. So I'm just going to apologize for being all cranky with you on forums and leave it at that.

And I have no why Roark would do that... it just sounds misplaced to me.

I agree, we have been far to hostile and I know I've caused alot of it on the forums with you. I'm sorry aswell mate.

It seems everyone agrees so far that this needs to be changed back, so hopefully Esty or Roark see this thread and help us out


EDIT: Who raids Serenwilde Elryn?

Daevos, Alger, Kaervas, and Ixion raided Northern Serenwilde not too long ago and supposedly chopped down half the saplings. Also not more than 2 days ago they raided Rockholm and took out 22 guards. Xavius have also took down 5 saplings in Southern Serenwilde and killed a Seren from one room south of Mother. Those are all examples of Serenwilde or its territories being raided successfully. Serenwilde is hard to raid, but it isn't an invincible fortress that no one can hurt.

Now that is a lie, Terenas. We did not raid Northern Serenwilde.

I've bugged components of it. As near as I can tell, it truly is supposed to be this way.

Ahhh, I didn't know about these raids.

Why I said supposedly.