Sounds pretty fair to me.

I freaked out back in the days of playing Imperian when I was at my boyfriend's place (where his twin brother also lived and played Imperian) and being asked who I was Silly buggers didn't bother to notice that I logged in there every few weeks.

then theres always that 0.01%, such as Narsrim and two others getting shrubbed temporarily for negative scores in the joke contest at Avechna, that was hilarious personally

Define "a lot". Personally, I don't think so. The cost of credits isn't an unreasonable or expensive investment for a hobby. I find the credit system excellent. It allows responsible, working adults a chance to field characters comparable to ones played by people with nothing better to do than MUD maniacally 12+ hours a day.

Regarding being attacked randomy and whatever you read in the forums... It's usually the same people hitting the same people. Or the alts of experienced players getting hit by other experienced players. Or well known people at the very least. Random casualties are few I think.

No Nasrim, Thorgal, Kaervas or Munsia is going to chase after a person that isn't involved in things and they don't know about. Even if they love to fight. You may have problems being killed in a village because 20 big guys are beating each other there and nobody checked who you were. But it's not like we had a bunch of newbiekillers around most of the time.

And if somebody is really abusing you and making your life miserable (killing you for no reason, for example) you can use RP defense (HELP AVENGER, HELP KARMA) or if things go out of bounds, ISSUE and an admin will hear both sides of the story. And Admin, not a Divine, because Divines are RPing a very clear type of character, that will defend His/Her ideas.

Also, give a try to politics. It's something that you won't find in many muds out there, and its' really interesting.

Just be careful with the city and alignment you choose, try to RP at all times or at least be in character, and above all, expect a very player managed environment, where the person who can help you more resolve your conflict with another player is probably his/her Guild Master (diplomacy) or your Guild Champion (kill him kill him kill him).

My guild champions arent as agressive as me though my Guildmaster is
Soulafein. Noob
Citera. eh.. soso
Gregori. Afk's too much
Thaemorn. Dont see him around much but he defends when he is.
Elryn (the wannabe guildchampion but is our Guildmaster instead). TEH OWNERZ!!

Yea we realy dotn have random killing.
I kileed innocen player only once, during some fights in one of villages. Killed this guy in two hits, later when evrything chill out he send me a tell that he wasnt doing anything wrong and yea after honorsing him i apologizend and gived him few thousands gold for this incident, he was just exploring and he was in wrong place in wrong time.

And we really dont have many thiefs.
This incident that you heard about it was propably Amaru stealing from Richter.
I think Amaru give evrything back.
Even most of equipment lost in cobat is giving back.
When i lost sword to my enemy, Alger, we just dueled, he killed me and i get sword back.

Its really hard to lose 3 months work here.

And i have to say that evrything in this game is just cool.
In my first days i was trying to figure out honors quests in Newton caverns.
Then all other honors quests. I know most of them but still a lot before me.
I love trade here, its realy cool, Richter's idea for The Black market and his cartels is realy cool.
Combat is great too. I dont fight much but its realy something that is hard to master.
And even if something is starting to boring me i have finding something new, politics for example or even designing items. Its realy cool. I won a cartel in lottery and i enjoy it.

What to say i just love Lusternia.

Any other mud suck.
I wont be going back on Aetolia even if they will pay me.

Ahh and also i didnt buy single OOC credit. I just play much. Dont have any arti yet. Only 5 trans skills but i have a cartel

So enough with the sugar coating. lets tell him all the stuff that pisses everyone off. (not names just.. general stuff like raids)

They dont piss me, i know its part of game. And for those that are riding its fun.
Its just one time you are raiding other time you are raided.

I dont mind being raided or the raids really.. I just hate the people who will whine and cry thier ever loving hearts out from our side and thiers

Yes I hate dropping all your hard earned items too when you die... one of the main reasons I ended up here. You don't drop any equipment when you die, aside from commodities, herbs, quest items, and corpses.. herbs and commodities can be put in your rift so they won't drop or decay, the rest.. well it's not really equipment right? Gold will also drop if you have it in your hands, so make sure to always put it in a pack

Also, artifacts are purchased with credits here and that includes that it is -impossible- to steal them. Someone míght take them from you or you give them away but they will always reset to you after about 15 minutes. You can also customise most items so they reset as well.

Also, the situation with vestiphobia you spoke about.. there are skills in this game that can force you to do things, like drop or give away your items. Usually there is an unwritten law that items dropped in combat are given back.. usually anyway, sometimes feelings rile up on both sides and that's when you get situations like with vestiphobia, but it's generally frowned upon as you probably read in that thread as well.

However there is -no- official game rule against theft, mostly because all valuable items (like artifacts) can't be stolen anyway I think.




Never said it equaled weak, but people assume Light and Good means merciful and nice and forgiving and loving etc. I used the Spanish Inquisition only as an example -because- they were hypocritic (mostly because the Pope had like no say in what the SI did, it was all the King who used them to kill his political enemies and minority groups that opposed him) because that's what I want Celest to become. Use the Light and them being 'good' to justify killing the Tainted and raiding etc.. it makes such interesting RP, I don't understand why not everyone would just love to play that.. I know I do.


On the topic of Admins.. I think Hajamin said most already but -Admins- do -not- have a roleplaying function, Elder Gods do but not the Admins (and Guides for that matter..)

I hope that helps clearing it up a bit.. usually everything in Lusternia is IC except when it comes to the Administration.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

In response to Hajamin's account of what took place between Ulai, him and myself (I am Ulai's wife), I feel I must say a few things.

Hajamin and the administrator who spoke to use feels that they dealt with our situation with politeness and professionalism. Our definitions differ, then. I do not have a problem with anyone being repremanded for doing something they knew was against game policy. I also do not have a problem with an admin coming to either Ulai or myself and politely asking us about our IPs being the same. This did not happen. The mistakes I feel were made are as follows:

When dealing with someone who you believe to be multiplaying, do not assume they are doing something wrong and yank them and the other player in and out of rooms for two days before ever saying a word. Please treat each character as though they are two separate people until proven otherwise. Ulai was dragged into the room where I was being trained with no explaination. When he asked about this in newbie chat, he got no response. Then, after an issue a player had with Ulai, we were both yanked into an admin area and made to feel like criminals. After I said as much, the admin told me that they were not punishing us, but merely wanted to flag us as separate players so we didn't get in trouble for multiplaying. They insisted that they were being polite when I told them that I felt that I was being mistreated. I was insulted by this statment and it rings false after the treatment I recieved.

My second problem is this : If you are going to punish people for talking about an OOC issue on an public channel, tell new players it is OOC before being rude to them about it. I was present when Ulai asked his question, and I asked the person who helped train me what was happening in a private tell. I was told they didn't know and were trying to find out themselves. At this time, being a newbie, I should have been told this was an OOC matter. As a newbie, I have to look to more seasoned players for guidance. If people were discussing a matter they knew to be OOC, and a new player asks a question about it, it is up to the higher ranking players to explain, politely, that this is not a matter for discussion. This was not done. Hajamin came onto the Celest city chat channel and said "What business is it of yours" and from what I saw, no one quit the topic. From Hajamin's statement, we did not understand that this was an OOC topic and that it was forbidden. At the time, we had no idea who Hajamin was. I understand that Hajamin was "roleplaying", but if you are going to repremand someone for doing something that is against game rules, please do so OOC in private tells. Ulai asked a question and recieved what I perceived to be a rude tell from Hajamin, who at no time identified himself as someone in charge. Only after yelling at Ulai did he explain that it was an OOC matter. After this, an admin yanked us both into a room and rempremanded Ulai for "complaining about an OOC punishment". What he actually did was ask about whether or not we were allowed to ask about the matter, which was openly being discussed by people who by all accounts should have known better. He never complained, nor, as stated, did he know the matter was OOC when he asked his question.

My third problem is that if the admin is going to rempremand someone, please take the time to hear their side of it. Ulai wished to be heard and was silenced. The admin stated that they "knew what took place". They obviously did not, or they would not have accused him of doing something he did not do. After the admin silenced Ulai, they immediately switched gears to ask us about multiplaying.

I got the impression from this encounter that Hajamin did not like Ulai's attitude and this caused us to finally be spoken to about our alleged multiplaying. It felt as though someone was angry with Ulai and wanted to get him removed from the game for the only actually illegal act they thought they had him on. If I am mistaken, I apologise, since this is merely the impression I got. A mere "pardon me, but are you multiplaying?" would have sufficed at any time before we were pulled from room to for days before being spoken to by an admistrator.

I don't appreciate being treated like criminal. As a child, being brought to the principle's office was a frightening and negavite experience, and this felt exactly the same. I am a person separate from my husband and will be treated as such. I felt as though I was being condemned for an issue between Ulai and another player and I do not think this was fair. I was enjoying myself in Lusterna and did absolutely nothing to deserve any of this treatment. The admin assured me that I was not in trouble, and that they were treating me fairly but all the words in the world will not undo the feelings that ensued from the mismanagement of this situation. I have contacted Lusterna support and was assured that this is not a game-wide problem, and that they would speak to their volunteer administrators about being sensitive to new players in the future. I only hope that, in the future, the rules will be enforced for all players (even high ranking individuals) and that these rules will be explained with more politeness to newbies than was shown to my husband and me. I have no more to add to this, and I hope that this matter is now resolved. Thank you for your time.

ex-Melia, wife of Ulai

A sad fact to text is that it is impossible to fully convey and perceive things like you would speaking to someone in real life, face to face.

Bringing you both to a seperate room would be common practice - it avoids having to go to you in a public place and embarrasing you in front of your peers, where anyone can hear the issue.

It seems from what you have written here, that you had two seperate issues that both needed to be taken care of by the Admins, and instead of spreading them out to further waste your time they were done in one chunk. One part, where your husband was alone, and then the other part, where it concerned both of you. It honestly to me, looks as if the Admin was trying to help you both out by explaining that OOC isn't allowed on public and the Divine cannot talk about it, either.

Unfortunatly, it also appears you, or you and your husband believed you were going to be punished and wanted to hurry to explain what happened, when the Admin just wanted to explain things to you as well before talking with other offenders. You mentioned that the Administrator you spoke with said they wished to tag you so you would not be marked as multiplayers (which is a serious offense, one that can get you shrubbed and/or banned) which would explain why both of you were then spoken with. I do not understand why you would feel like a criminal if 'The admin assured me that I was not in trouble', but I am sure it was not intended.

I hope this helps, and Good luck with whatever you and your husband decide to do in gaming.

I understand what the administration was trying to do. What they did, and the way they did it is the issue. As I said, they could have talked to each of us about multiplaying 2 days before the second incident took place. That they chose to talk to us about the multiplaying at the same time they repremanded Ulai for something entirely different, 2 days after yanking us both in and out of rooms together without a word of explaination seems suspect to me. They obviously suspected us of multiplaying 2 days prior, since they yanked us out of our areas and into random public rooms together. They never said anything and chose to speak to us about it only after another, separate complaint against Ulai was filed. Do they normally wait until another issue with a player arises to speak to them about multiplaying, even if that takes days, weeks, or months? Or do they normally call the person in as soon as they are suspected, explain the rules politely and get the issue out of the way? This is why I felt mistreated. It had nothing to do with their rules, but rather how and when the rules were explained. I just feel the situation could have been dealt with better.

Moving two suspected multiplayers into the same room isn't something done by the administration, so that must have been something else entirely, if it even was the administration at all, which I doubt if you weren't contacted at the time.

Hey man, smoke some desert weed and go with the flow! Forget about the incident and have some fun, that's all that matters. We've a great and big, little world here, sprouted from the neverending fantasy of teh Estarra and her underlings.

The administrators of Fate thought that I was multiplaying once (two charactors on at the same time) Turns out AOL was just assigning us(me and some play I've never heard before, and honestly can't remember now) IP's that were really close together. I wasn't yanked around or anything, just got sent a tell by someone asking me to explain my actions. I really don't see where you come off yelling at the admin about things I doubt have happened in -this- mud. They're really super nice. They try to work out any issues or bugs or whatnot, play IC roles to enhance the MUD itself. This is by far the best mud I've seen out there, which is why I've stayed here for a few months now, and play to for many more. I hope you get past whatever it is happened in other muds and stick around long enough to realize how great Lusternia is.

The divine play IC roles, the admins do not, they are two seperate entities, the divine can also play admin roles, but in the case it was one of the admin staff from the sounds that was talking with them.

About the yanking around 2 days prior, honestly it makes me wonder if that was not a ic summoning of him in some way, such as planar summon or whatnot and someone might have summoned him there themself, course could be way off just what came to mind.

And really Lusternia is a great place with lots of fun to be had, you can hunt and quest to yours hearts content and never really get into the pvp if you so choose, or vice versa, the people are on average a very friendly group always happy to help eachother (for their own groups anyhow, won't see many serens wanting to help a magnagoran *chuckle*) and I do think you could have a good time and enjoy yourselves here, as Thorgal said mayhap forgive and forget as the old saying goes and enjoy yourselves

Just to clarify, when admins yank you they do it to a private office where they can talk with you without being interrupted and without embarrasing you by others players thinking you did something wrong.

Maybe Divines can yank you around, but it's usually to talk with you in their Temple or just because they're annoyed with you (you're interrupting an RP Event or something, and Viravain sends you to astral ) That only happens to elder players, wich know what they're doing, and the Divine will tell tehm so. So this wasn't the case.

Now, why would an admin move you two to public rooms just to make you feel bad, when players move people around all day? Not even Divines do that when RPing against enemies.

yeah i don understand why an admin would just make you shift room, when they wanted to talk to me they asked me to move where we could be private, there was no random throwing. The admin here are great though normally kind and nice!