STUFFY AND AUTHORITARIAN!!!
nature IS totalitarian! even look at evolution-the fittest survive, the rest die out. and what about ants? or even primitive humans, for that example?(the oligarchic rule by the eldest, and everyone had a duty, and they put the society before themselves)
although, don't take this as being for heraldry, i'd also be against it in lusternia in this form. i just get really mad when people think nature is all cuddly and everything. in truth, nature is authoritarian.

Nature communes != nature.

I don't like when people try to presume to tell everyone else to act like something in nature. The truth is, nature is incredibly diverse. It's harsh and relentless, and soft and gentle.

However, the communes are civilizations that try to act in harmony with different facets of nature... they don't try to represent it. Even if they did, there's no possible way they could encompass all the different parts of such a complex and incredibly distinctive system.

I hate being forced to be cuddly almost as much as I hate being told we should hunt in packs and do things 'because that's what Nature is like'.

Edit: I'd also disagree with your statement that 'Nature is authoritarian' anyway.

/hijack

Those work, I find heraldry so confusing and uncomprehensible I just want to shout 'will you tell me what the heck that is in english people'. But mostly for me its as I said before, there are plenty of ways to do the same thing as there is, without having the divine waste time that could be spent on fixes tweaks or other planned additions instead of this

I would like to be able to have my own distincive mark that i can have etched onto things, doesn't have to be a coat of arms though.

Personally, I think it'd be sweet to have a mark that can be described in pain english.

You COULD have it described in plain english, at least on the lists.

I'm not even advocating Achaean Heraldry, but something besides "get a random private design" would be nice.

I don't want something even remotely Achaean coming into Lusternia.

Next thing you know, it'll be houses and free class if you're level 60 or above.

Incorrect: Slippery slope fallacy.

And, sorry to break it to you, but the entire game is "remotely Achaean". You'll have to define the term better before you use it to argue. What parts are acceptable, and which aren't?

No, the game is Lusternia. We have different guilds, different guild structures, different class structures, even different skill names for the ones that match Achaea with the exception of Riding.

We've got a new map. New history. New factions and good/bads.

Weapons are completely different. 'Proficiencies' are completely different. Trades are completely different. The GODS are completely different.

Orders might still be the same, but they're due for an upgrade when our very busy divine have time.

Sure, we have credit market, and channels. OMG.

Quick, let's remove Rapture so we can actually say Lusternia is unique!


Seriously, though. No to heraldry in any form. If you want that special mark so much, make private designs. I don't see other people using them just for the hell of it, especially if you request that they remain private TO YOU.

We should scrap the family system. You can simply set your last name using your title.

Family system is good. It allows recognition of your ties, and lets you be part of something bigger other than just your biased guild/city/commune connections.

The family system is also quite drastically different, and you know it. IE NOT ACHAEAN.

Heraldry was always a pointless skill, even for the purposes of RP. It was a way to make people waste money on credits and another sink for gold.

I can name many pointless skills, but we have them anyway. Using private designs for a coat of arms is like going through 8 boxes of tissues instead of buying cold medicine.

I haven't played Achaea for longer than about 10 minutes, so I don't know how the heraldry thing works over there.

But I would personally find having to respond to formal medieval coats-of-arms almost as irritating as a Hartstone that calls himself 'the Merlin' and declares himself an advisor to kings.

There's nothing wrong with it somewhere else, it just doesn't mesh with the atmosphere of Lusternia.

Yeah, what you said. I was too uninterested in this idea to speak my mind with some kind of clarity.

It's not even formal medieval coats of arms in Achaea, it's just symbols for a person or org.

I honestly don't care one way or the other, I'm just highly surprised at the amount of nastiness against Heraldry.

Hmm, I didn't think I was being nasty.

No, but there's a real feeling I'm getting in general of "Heraldy? HELL no, that's the devil, keep it away, I hate it, it ate my children!"

It is the devil. It just doesn't fit with Lusternia, IMO.

We have ways to get around it without wasting time, which are MUCH more Lusternian and are BETTER for trades. Please don't come up with more ideas to screw over those of us with trades. Please?

Ah, that would be the reason then. How would it screw those with trades? EMBROIDER ARMS ON , ENGRAVE ARMS ON etc. Doing it with designs is simply stupid, in my opinion.

That's enough for me then, that answers my question. -shrug-

Because it'd add another line to the object, and it probably would just be easier in the long run to get a private design. I mean there -are- private cartels for a reason, i believe -all- of Richters cartels have a private design system set up, if you want them with a coat of arms, just contact one of his Trademasters.

It'd be the difference between saying in America that I'm a Lord, and doing so in England, where people might actually care due it being part of the culture and all.