Divine Intervention

by Vix

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Murphy2005-10-24 00:14:55
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 24 2005, 09:47 AM)

Divine Resurrections

This was a problem as Murphy was divine resurrected twice in one day for shady reasons. I have been told that there are rules about this, and no one should be divine resurrected again for raiding. It is something for special cases not "do as you want with no consequences."

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Narsrim you are an absolute tool.

I never got divine rezzed, and i definitley didn't become alive again twice in one day. Secondly i never died while raiding so dude, you should learn to do your homework narsrim, I did die in enemy terrority but thats cause I was a tool and ran into guards, that isn't raiding.
Vix2005-10-24 00:15:31
Hey, people, keep it nice. Just want a simple (or complex if it is) answer about their limitations?
Malicia2005-10-24 00:17:49
I've never been attacked by Fain or Razeon on a personal level. Not even for defiling. It's all Viravain.

Vix- I don't think any of us really know. Only an administrator could properly lay it all out for us.
Vix2005-10-24 00:20:29
QUOTE(Malicia @ Oct 23 2005, 07:17 PM)
I've never been attacked by Fain or Razeon on a personal level. Not even for defiling. It's all Viravain.
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When Glomdoring is able to stand on its own feet then she'll probably ease up a bit.
Ashteru2005-10-24 00:20:39
QUOTE(Malicia @ Oct 23 2005, 11:56 PM)
When your character was in SW, you complained constantly about the raids. Ashteru was killed -constantly-. Serenwilde was in a fragile state before and we suffered raids. We're still raided and we're not always prepared for it either. We don't receive divine assistance. Is it balanced?  Can I roleplay crazy? It's like the insanity defense. Do whatever you want and claim that it's because you're crazy. Then you get off scott free.

Oh and let me add that the org you're describing could be seen as Celest, a city that has suffered quite a lot. Moreso than Glomdoring.
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yeah, I know, but Serenwilde always had around 2 to 3 villages, Glomdoring has none at the moment. And Serenwilde might still be raided (I nearly wrote we now. doh.gif ), but look at politics...Serenwilde has four villages at the moment if I am not mistaken, they get a steady commoditie and power income.
Glomdoring doesn't.
And sure, you can roleplay crazy, but players wouldn't take that too kindly and you'd probably find yourself hunted or something.

And I thought that this comment about Celest would come up. Yes, Celest has no villages too, Celest has not many fighters and and and. But some things are different:
Celest is cultural Center. I know that it's not forever, but it helps.
Magnagora isn't like Serenwilde and raids every two or three days.
In fact, I have seen the Supernals slain once in the whole time I am in Mag now, that's not very much, perhaps once per month. Normal Mag business is usually

a)Hunt Catas
b)Roleplay with your family
c)Defend Landantine

That pretty much sums it up.

While it was something like

a)Sit around at mother or in Faethorn and make jokes on SEG
b)Fend off some minor Glom attacks on Faethorn, since Mages couldn't do anything up there anymore.
c)Go and meld a part of a village, then attack denizens and see how many Glomos you can kill before you spore out.

I know, that's maybe overdoing it, but still, you get the idea.
And now, you are raiding Glomdoring itself several times already, wheres Celest has been rarely, if ever really -raided- by Mag.

Narsrim2005-10-24 00:21:16
QUOTE(Murphy @ Oct 23 2005, 08:14 PM)
Narsrim you are an absolute tool.

I never got divine rezzed, and i definitley didn't become alive again twice in one day. Secondly i never died while raiding so dude, you should learn to do your homework narsrim, I did die in enemy terrority but thats cause I was a tool and ran into guards, that isn't raiding.
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When I emailed support over that issue, I received this response:

QUOTE
support@lusternia.com

Resurrection is not intended to be used for the benefit of aggressive
tactics such as raiding, and we will make sure that it is not, in
future.


So please, spare me - and you use the word "tool" too much.
Rakor2005-10-24 00:22:24
QUOTE(tsakar @ Oct 23 2005, 08:07 PM)
Actually they can


No, they really can't. It doesn't matter what they sip for since they can't actually die. They get to 0 health, like Narsrim and Murphy said, and they are fine.

I remember that FFA with Buho, it came down to him, me and Murphy. I think. It was a while ago.

QUOTE
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w exk-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes
powerfully his left leg, and blood fountains out in a thick spray.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w exk-writhe

With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes
powerfully his left leg, and blood fountains out in a thick spray.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w exk-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes the
tendon above his left heel, making him scream as it's completely severed.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w exk-
You begin to writhe furiously to escape the blade that has impaled you.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes
powerfully his left leg, and blood fountains out in a thick spray.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
You may eat another sparkleberry.
eat sparkleberry
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
1516h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
1946h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes the
tendon above his left heel, making him scream as it's completely severed.
1946h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes
powerfully his left leg, and blood fountains out in a thick spray.
1946h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes
powerfully his left leg, and blood fountains out in a thick spray.
1946h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w ek-drink health

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
stand
1946h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11435w exk-
You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
The sharp pain your your foot from the weapon pinning it to the ground makes
you incapable of anything else other thing thoughts of escaping it.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, but his
thrust hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. Buho strikes his
left leg, striking a major artery which splurts blood in all directions.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
With an heroic effort you manage to writhe yourself free from that which
~~Free!
~~Free!
~~Free!
impaled you.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
Buho razes your aura of rebounding with a steel broadsword.
smoke pipe67458
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, and you make
ready with a tormented spectre flail. With a flick of your flail, you easily
deflect Buho's broadsword.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-writhe

Buho whips a steel broadsword through the air in front of you, to no effect.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
Buho whips a steel broadsword through the air in front of you, to no effect.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
With a focused look, Buho strikes at you with a steel broadsword, and you make
ready with a tormented spectre flail. With a flick of your flail, you easily
deflect Buho's broadsword.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
You take a long drag off your pipe.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w exk-
You begin to writhe helplessly, throwing your body off balance.
2549h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w ek-
You bleed 665 health.
clot
clot
clot
1884h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11441w ek-
1884h, 2793m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11429w ek-
1884h, 2733m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11417w ek-
1884h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11405w ek-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
stand
1884h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11405w exk-
You are not fallen or kneeling.
2099h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11405w exk-
Silvanus d'Murani shouts, "Go Rakor!"
2099h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11405w exk-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
2099h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11411w exk-drink health
smite up buho

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2799h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11411w exk-smite up buho

You may eat another sparkleberry.
eat sparkleberry
2799h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20410en, 11411w exk-
Letting a tormented spectre flail droop, you suddenly heave it up at Buho. You
smite him in the gut, knocking the wind out of him.
2799h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20396en, 11411w exk-
Letting a tormented spectre flail droop, you suddenly heave it up at Buho. With
an elegant stroke, you smite his left leg, knocking him to the ground.
2799h, 2748m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3229h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-hg

Brilliant! Dumb it down for me?
3229h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-drink health

You bleed 593 health.
clot
clot
clot
2636h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
2636h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-smoke pipe67458

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion flows down your throat without effect.
2636h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11411w exk-
2636h, 2793m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11399w exk-
2636h, 2733m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11387w exk-
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11375w exk-
You take a long drag off your pipe.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20382en, 11381w exk-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-outr chervil
eat chervil

You have recovered balance on your right arm.
stand
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
stand
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 99.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-outr chervil
eat chervil
outr chervil
eat chervil
outr chervil
eat chervil

2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You are not fallen or kneeling.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You are not fallen or kneeling.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 98.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 97.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-drink health

You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 96.
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You may eat another sparkleberry.
eat sparkleberry
2636h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11381w exk-
You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3440h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11387w exk-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3870h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11387w exk-
You bleed 364 health.
clot
clot
clot
3506h, 2853m, 3474e, 10p, 20392en, 11387w exk-
3721h, 2793m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11375w exk-
3721h, 2733m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11363w exk-
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-outr chervil
eat chervil

You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 95.
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-outr chervil
eat chervil
outr chervil
eat chervil
outr chervil
eat chervil

You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 94.
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 93.
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
You remove 1 chervil, bringing the total in the Rift to 92.
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-
3721h, 2673m, 3474e, 10p, 20402en, 11351w exk-ql

Southern Seres River.
Buho is here, sprawled on the floor. He wields a steel broadsword in each hand.
You see exits leading south, southwest, and northwest.
Nokraenom2005-10-24 00:23:16
I'm trying to say she's defending the Commune for an IC reason. Viravain has established her motivation for protecting Glomdoring on plenty of occasions, starting with when she first returned to the Basin and tried to return it to Gloriana. Just because she's demented doesn't mean that her reasons for this are less valid.

However, I do suggest that there is an OOC impetus in the form of Glomdoring taking a lot of harassment from raiders/dreamweavers for the Admin to give them a little space. The majority of the time, I doubt raiders are killed by Viravain. However, the threat of her stepping does loom there, so it's something raiders should be aware of. The OOC impetus for her to kill them was really a separate idea from the IC/OOC justifications I was trying to convey in my 2nd paragraph, I don't think I made that clear enough.

RE Narsrim: Yes, Celestia/Nil/etc have all been raided. However, you very, very rarely see Serenwilde, Magnagora, or Celest proper (the cities) raided. That sort of raiding is far more detrimental (or seems to be to me, at least) from the perspective of a player in that community. Raiding villages, extraplanar territories, etc. can all be ignored, but it's hard to ignore that Dreamweaver sitting at the Nexus harassing people, including newbies. While what Elryn was trying in Glom before he just started killing people, with the illusions and such, while pretty interesting, can be confusing to a new player trying to adapt to Glom and to the complex mechanics of Lusternia (which aren't all that intuitive, either). So while on one hand the Admin considers Glom to be a community that should be around to draw new players in the long-term, other people (raiders and such) are trying to utterly destroy it. So if the raiding is going on fairly freely and disrupting that process, through either affecting newbies directly or by drawing potential teachers away from them to defend the Commune, then I think the Admin is more likely to step in (in an IC way) to add a level of risk to that raiding.

As I said, it's certainly not impossible to raid, but you do so with the knowledge that Viravain is crazy about the forest and may or may not kill you. It's just another risk factor to add to the equation of whether it's worthwhile or not.
Ashteru2005-10-24 00:25:50
QUOTE(Gregori @ Oct 24 2005, 12:14 AM)
Serenwilde was just raided not that long ago. Incidently after certain players said "boo hoo Serenwilde is impossible to raid.", and I pointed out exactly how easy it is to raid, 20 minutes later it was done. Lisaera didn't kill anyone then. And you raid the catacombs. I know, weak comparisson, but there isn't that much in Northern Serenwilde that could be done before the raiders get overwhelmed and have to get away

Serenwilde was constantly raided during the Serenwilde/Magnagora war, before we had any real defense. Lisaera didn't kill any raiders then. Difference is that Magnagora was as long out as Serenwilde then. Serenwilde is beating a much younger commune up.

Serenwilde was constantly raided when I would try and kill Crow, in order to stop it. Lisaera didn't kill any raiders then.see above

Serenwilde has had dreamweavers at the Mother Tree killing or harrassing members of the Commune since the skillset came out, and before we had more than 4 people with Violet. Lisaera didn't kill any raiders then either. Viravain didn't step in the first few times, but after a while she got annoyed. The whole time I was in Serenwilder...10 IG years or more, there was one or two dreamer attacks at the Tree.

Players constantly slip into the Northern Serenwilde to chop down trees. Lisaera hasn't killed any of them.They chop down trees, but do they kill too? I don't know... unsure.gif

Celest has been beat like a redheaded step sister since day one, and of all the orgs, it has the weakest playerbase in terms of organisation and fighting. None of the Divine there are killing raiders.Look at above post please for further things from me.
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Kaileigh2005-10-24 00:27:53
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 23 2005, 07:20 PM)
And now, you are raiding Glomdoring itself several times already, wheres Celest has been rarely, if ever really -raided- by Mag.
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As a whole. No.

But Alger kills denizons in the city, Anisu has started to. Ukanthru has killed Serarn way to many times. But it made for some amusing drunken Serarn rp. I'm sure there are others but that's off the top of my head.

Ixion, Ukanthru and Kaervas (was it?) raided water yesterday or the day before..

All Hajamin offers is "GO STOP THEM!" He's more into punishing people that talk back to him, even Celest citizens.

Ashteru2005-10-24 00:32:14
QUOTE(Kaileigh @ Oct 24 2005, 12:27 AM)
As a whole. No.

But Alger kills denizons in the city,  Anisu has started to.  Ukanthru has killed Serarn way to many times. But it made for some amusing drunken Serarn rp. I'm sure there are others but that's off the top of my head.

Ixion, Ukanthru and Kaervas (was it?)  raided water yesterday or the day before..

All Hajamin offers is "GO STOP THEM!"  He's more into punishing people that talk back to him, even Celest citizens.
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Alger is strong, but I wouldn't quite compare him to Narsrim. Sorry Alger!
Anisu runs away if you staff her once, I'd think.
Ukanthru is a weakling, even for me.
Just go there when they scream, and kill 'em. Or at least attack 'em. And post as many guards around the city as you can, and set them on that thing where they come running if you yell for help. That should make those raids stop, or at least make it harder on them if an Aquamancer like you, Acrune, Shamarah, Vesar or Geb hold a demesne in the city when they are on.

Water isn't Celest, the prime place itself. tongue.gif
Unknown2005-10-24 00:34:23
First take note that I only read the first post because most of this looks like stupid flaming.

I'm perfectly fine with Viravain going outside the bounds of a regular divine, as She is the only one who is 'tainted', and thus an exception in many ways.

Also, Hajamin is a warrior god, and a rather egoistical one at that, so it's reasonable that He would act in a more brash and volatile manner than many other gods.

Most of them don't really care too much about the cities and organizations that they patron, I feel, beyond using those mortals that are members to fufill their own means or further their own goals, either benign or evil. There are exceptions of course, such as Viravain, who surely must feel a closer bond to Glomdoring than, say, Fain does to Magnagora.

Plus there's really no one to keep the Elder Gods in check from an IC perspective, except Estarra, and She would only intervene in the most extreme circumstances. The Vernal Gods, I imagine, will be regulated by both OOC measures (The Admins) and IC measures (The Elder Gods).
Malicia2005-10-24 00:37:30
QUOTE(Ashteru)
And you raid the catacombs. I know, weak comparisson, but there isn't that much in Northern Serenwilde that could be done before the raiders get overwhelmed and have to get away


How do you raid the catas? It's a profitable hunting ground. It's already been stated that there's no real reason anyone else can or can't hunt there and so, we try and are attacked for doing so. Essentially, we're DEFENDING in the catas. biggrin.gif


And dear god. You people need to stop exaggerating. Elryn and Narsrim do not raid Glomdoring incessantly. Narsrim gets in, does his thing, gets out. He's rarely after a person, so much as he's after the aspects and any fae bound in shadow. He's following his rp. Oh, but when he does, he's considered a 'griefer'. Glomdoring is mainly frustrated because of his efficiency. He does not raid any one area for hours and hours, killing people over and over. He just gets in, gets away before he's caught and everyone there pulls their hair out in frustration.

Do I have to remind people of how -long- those Faethorn raids would go on? Glomdoring gets all big and bad when they'd have Magnagora behind them, raiding for hours on end. Words can't describe how time consuming it was. Oh, but we're picking on them when we hit back when their big brothers aren't gathered at their side, right?

The Serenwilde has never had a 'big brother'. Celest and Serenwilde were two beat up little brothers that held hands for awhile. A long while. Not so much now.

Delport was raided every day up until they finally lost it to Magnagora. Recently. Every other day, orcs are released into the villages, a hostile manuever, if you ask me. No one is innocent. There were constant raids on Celestia and on the city itself, by Glomdoring and Magnagora. Why raid if you don't want to be raided?

The only reason that the raids on Faethorn became less frequent was because it was made so that geomancers couldn't meld there. A good move. It forced the Blacktalons to step up and actually DO something.

Lastly, it's in OUR rp to move against Glomdoring. If Viravain's actions are justified by her 'rp' then our stance should be respected as well.
Gregori2005-10-24 00:38:58
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 23 2005, 06:25 PM)
Alot of stuff about my post
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You apparently missed the entire point. Serenwilde -has- been raided, -is- raided, and still Lisaera does not rain fire and brimstone down on the people doing it. She has just as much reason to as Viravain, but stands back because players should deal with players.

Granted you may not have been online when all the dreamweaver attacks were happening doesn't mean they didn't, but the fact that "you only remember twice" in 10 ig years, is not proof that it didn't happen. It only suggests that you either misremember, are obfuscating the truth, or were not around when alot of it happened.

Serenwilde's raiding of the Catacombs has nothing to do with Magnagora at all anyways. The gar-dead are not Magnagoran territory. This has been said by not only themselves but by the Divine. We have just as much right to hunt there as anyone. The fact we have to kill anyone there so we can hunt peacefully is not a raid.
Ashteru2005-10-24 00:39:04
About Vernals:

Actually I don't think they'll have to have any contract or something, since they are perfectly measureable in IC senses. Everytime a village goes up and they try to enter, they'll get thrown back to their nexus, like it happens with the Newton entrance and more experienced players. Probably some sort of Estarra guard or something.

Second, they could bash normally and all (If they'd still need it), but they'd need power, lots and lots, everytime they want to engage into fights or raids, so that they are a rarely used but deadly instrument. Would make Vernals a lot more RP bound than Demigods, I'd say.
Murphy2005-10-24 00:42:41
i'll have you know that we raided, andheld faethorn the other day against a swarm of serenwilders without the aid of magnagora, we can be big and bad on our own
Unknown2005-10-24 00:43:22
I doubt there will be hardcoded restrictions on Vernals. They will just be very aloof, like the Elder Gods... when one pops up at your nexus you'll likely get a lot of 'Oh!'s, ect.

I imagine they'll be very power dependant as well, with an active pool of a few hundred power and thousands of it in reserves, with even their regular attacks costing 10-15 points of it but doing devastating damage.
Unknown2005-10-24 00:43:32
Why talk about Vernal gods when there are none?
Unknown2005-10-24 00:45:15
Because it's fun to speculate.
Diamante2005-10-24 00:53:17
QUOTE(Murphy @ Oct 23 2005, 05:42 PM)
i'll have you know that we raided, andheld faethorn the other day against a swarm of serenwilders without the aid of magnagora, we can be big and bad on our own
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Except Eiru.......oh and a titan tongue.gif