Believe it or not, Narsrim, the post wasn't aimed at you.

Speaking again from an out-of-character perspective, I have quite a bit of respect for you - you've obviously put quite a bit of time into the game and combat, and you're obviously quite skilled with whatever program you use in the game, more so than I would ever be.

The specific instances applying to Shikari are a bit beside the point. I can provide full justification for both of those instances, but it would detract from the actual point I'm trying to get across.

What I am trying to say is quite simple. No-one likes defeats that are unpreventable for all intents and purposes, and both sides have been experiencing them - Serenwilde as a result of Divines responding to actions against them in person, and Glomdoring as a result of being attacked by a raiding force so much stronger than them that in 95% of cases, they may as well be gods for all the effect their efforts to defend will have.

I must reiterate again that my comments have nothing to do with the Shikari persona or the official views of the Administration, they are simply my own personal thoughts on the matter.

Does that mean I count in the 5% of cases?

Heh, on a personal level I find it interesting how you manipulate the situation specifically highlighting the end of the events rather than the beginning to produce a desired for response. To explain, let's examine the character Narsrim's shouts that lead up to the God response. Narsrim shouted something about someone not "knocking" when they entered the catacombs and that subsequently any "trespassers" would be slain. I'd like to take one of your previous comments which was...


Now taking that into account, publically proclaiming to the world that anyone that pops in will be slain is just BEGGING for some roleplay intervention. The general notable interactions with Raezon have always come about because of something publically done. A stupid public shout, someone publically ridiculing, etc... It's just his thing, you challenge the world, he'll be happy to remind you just who else exists in the world.

Anyways, the problem with your arguement about "manipulating" someone into saying something doesn't really hold any water simply because he would have felt just as vindicated if he'd killed you right off and actually probably would have done so if he hadn't been feeling playful. As it was, you benefited from him being in a good mood. Saving grace so to speak, and you're looking the gift horse in the mouth.

As for a diversion? Heh, it's already been mentioned that Raez isn't going to defend people if he's randomly sitting in a hot spot. Now if he's sitting in his Temple, fulcrux, and you attack in front of him, sure. Thus, I don't specifically understand how the presence of Gods served as a diversion other than the delightful conversationalism.

(Edit: And just for completion's sake, Raez has never rezzed anyone unless he mistakenly killed them for something. In case that was directed his way at all. Ultimately, just don't challenge the world (Yes, this applies to everyone, he'd go knock a head or two if someone from Magnagora shouted to the world that they were the tippy top, best person in the world) or be too stupid, and Raez probably won't be involved. )

Sobran was only at Virtuoso dreamweaving.

Eiru is Glomdorian.

Next lie?

As far as I'm concerned, you are a minor player in the Gods-Gone-Wild fest. I would note, however, that I shouted in response to Richter as he had shouted (its quoted in forums) something along the lines of how *dare* i kill him for entering when Munsia and I had spent hours getting it all under control and was just finishing the third rift. I replied in a condescending manner, which involved me labeling him a trespasser and that Urlach (who isn't even around as he's part of Avechna, no?) wouldn't be seeing guests. At this point, Raezon and Shikari took this as an invitation to pop in and declare that we "challenged" them.

At this point, this was all fine and dandy. I make it clear that wasn't the case right from the start. However, you two stroked your own egos trying to encourage one of the persons present to say the word string of words so you could justify killing someone. Even though Raezon is a god, there are limitations. You cannot just randomly kill people, you need a reason - and you were fishing for a reason.

And regardless fo what he would have felt if he just killed me, I'm willing to bet that wouldn't rest to well with the other gods or on another level, the administration.

Finally, I think you fail to understand the point of a diversion. With the two of you going on and on (and the garghoul that wouldn't die) and such, you were distracting us. The two of you stroking your ego and trying to lure Munsia into not paying attention certainly was a good enough diversion for Magnagora to sneak in behind. You may not have actually influenced them getting down there, but holding the attention of the people who were going to be attacked was to their favor - very much so.

This has happened and still happens all the time to Celest. Very often when Celestia is attacked and our Supernals are slain we were vasty outnumbered and absolutly no chance of stopping them. Did we get Hajamin throwing lances after them? No. He tells us to go the heck in there and defend and yes, to worldburn since that is our only chance to get rid of such a large raiding force more often than not.

Celest is not Magnagoras equal and will never be, but you know what? We still manage. Sure, we lose sometimes but I think in overall people can only learn from it and get better in the future. Glomdoring will always be stuck at the point it is now because it is so used getting help and not having to do it alone anymore.

Right after open beta Magnagora owned.. badly. And no divine went and killed them directly (or botched raids or something similair), so why now?

Again, I'd like to repeat, Raez was going to kill Narsrim because of the arrogant shout saying any trespassers would be slain. Well within his role to again demonstrate that when you shout something publically, there's other forces in the world that exist that can take you up on the challenge and not bat an eye. Would someone flip out if Raez killed you. Nah, you said any trespassers would be slain. He merely would have been "instructing" Narsrim in how to restrict his claims to ownership/command of an area. Gotta walk the walk if you want to talk the talk.

Lastly, Raez has no ego. How can you have an ego when you transcend mortality? Now if you're talking about the player stroking his ego, then we'd have to discuss the ramifications of taking in game actions as a reflection of their player and hold up a mirror for you. Either way, ego never came into it.

What did Richter shout, other than the trash thing?

If Lisaera or Hajamin did the exact same thing, I can assure you Magnagora and Glomdoring is in for a serious pounding as some people from both throw fits over shouts to which I typically hear Lisaera and Hajamin tell them to stfu. No one, however, is slain unless they directly insult Lisaera or Hajamin.

Furthermore as I said, I made it clear when you poofed in the intent of what I said. You can reject my clarification all you want - but when I specifically outline that I was indeed not challenging you are you suggested, it does throw a kink in the justification.

Finally, my shout had a "target audience" which didn't include you (I couldn't even see you). I even made this clear - several times.

Basically Shikari and Raezon wanted to be smart asses?

Shikari and Raezon put a lot of time and effort into Lusternia, the least you can do is respect them enough to stop whining and if your concern is valid, email Estarra on support.

Next?

He shouted something about "how dare you, Narsrim" too but I don't have an exact quote for that.



Ironically, trespassers are slain in the Catacombs - the damn place is protected by gar-undead that kill anything in sight. This was, however, aimed at Richter as I didn't want him potentially scewing up Munsia destroying a rift (it takes 30 freakin minutes).

*note* These quotes are in the Quotes 2 section of forums, which is were I pulled them.

It isn't like we sit back and sip tea while Viravain and Shikari run around and kill people. I've been in a fair bit of raid situations and I RARELY see either of Them do anything other then a good word here or there. Yes, there are instances when one will step in, but again..that's when we are getting totally owned. Most of the time we are doing the work.

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The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.

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If you can't handle the concept of a forums, that's fine - but don't knock other people for engaging in discussion when that's the entire point.

Actually your wrong. You sit back and sip tea while Viravain and Mag do all your work

Cluelessness at its best.

I've been there when it happens

I can guarantee you haven't been there watching anyone sip tea. Simply because we have none.

You've also been there watching us defend ourselves without Magnagora or the gods, but hey, let's just forget that because we want to ridicule someone, hm? Least we both know it's nonsense.

glom has defended themselves without mags or the gods?! wow... news to me