Morik do you remember the start of the game? Serenwilde was in that position in for a while.

It wasn't like that for very long, IIRC. I also believe they were told to concentrate on their own commune before running around taking over the basin - much like what Glomdoring is being told. The difference here is that Glomdoring has to fend off pointless attacks from the Serenwilde whose handful of stupid players try to justify as "we're anti-glom, so we can raze it to the ground" or some other bullcrap.

This realm would become so much more fun if the people in power would just let the "others" (Celest and Glom) have a fair share of the political and village power for a few months. Enough time perhaps for the active, useful playerbases of every city to build to the point Seren/Mag is at. But no, people want to /win/. Sigh.

Hey, as far as I know, I'm fairly well liked (well, not hated, anyway). Nyla and Ishimoru are the obvious OOC exceptions.

Not sure why Munsia got on my case IC.

You I don't believe I've ever talked to in-game except for that mistell the other day... Narses, Narsrim... oops.

I AM a fairly peaceful/passive type. Glomdoring just seems to think otherwise for some reason

I'm not allowed to just RP, I have to fight and defend and crap, too


Edit: and please, don't someone start picking on my roleplay. Those who know my main alt actually compliment me on how differently I RP the two. So just don't, please. Because it always comes up sooner or later.

I won't comment much except to say that we were attacked by several individuals while we were getting on our feet. Valek, Silvanus and Visaeras (until others became stronger than him, anyway) to name a few.

Political and village power means very little in actual game terms from my point of view. It only matters because we, as players, are so focussed on winning that we need these notches to measure our progress in comparison to others. It is all very silly and not the point of Lusternia at all, but it is easy to get swept up in.

I don't really see the point here with Celest. Celest has more players than Magnagora on a regular basis, judging by the cultural activity scores. Celest almost always beats Magnagora's. You don't have the same number of highly-skilled fighters, but the playerbase of Celest certainly doesn't need more time to grow.

I think Viravain brought up something that is often missed. She might force raiders or poor innocent little dreamweavers away, but she doesn't actually kill them herself unless they ignore her warning.

Shikari acts without the warning, but I suppose his role is more bloodthirsty than Viravain's.

Edit: Glomdoring should be able to call on a temporary peace spell for its prime forest. Costs a heck of power, lasts a month, but means no violent acts can be committed while it is active.

Edit edit: That edit was so before Raezons post. Stealer.

Edit edit edit: Aww, he's nifty anyway.

I think we mightve been the-.. no we werent.

I've got it!! The new Divine Intervention is....


We declare a Grand Festival of Illumination and Knowledge and Hunting and Shadows and in which there is NO KILLING whatsoever for a year! Yay!

I'll start ignoring her then

cept bashing right?

my opinon is simple, Divine intervention is too far when it forces players to act contrary to their roles or even force them to quit their roles all together.

A humongous disclaimer before I begin:
I may be wrong.

But...

I do remember Lisaera and Terentia intervening a fair bit in the early days, followed by Hajamin recently, although all seem to have toned down (Terentia disappearing altogether, heh). It was frequently grumbled about then, since Fain and Raezon rarely ever intervene, so it burnt our biscuits quite a bit when we'd get upped one by a Divine.

None have come close to the scale of Viravain, though none are insane. She alone of all the Divine are insane. While I did not approve of her counter-productive dictator-style leadership, I do think it's within her RP to do things which seem drastic to the "sane" ones.

She is, after all, insane.

Doesn't mean She can do ANYthing, but well, are there any other insane Divine you can really compare Her to?

(I still say Glomdoring should be made democratic, though )

We have the players, but they're not as active as I think you'll find the Magnagoran playerbase is. Quality vs Quantity.

Mag will take over Culture unless Celest gets a writer or two to push out some books. Notice how close the base scores are before scholars? You have no idea how much whinging I've been doing over CT to kick people after taking Hajaboo's lead: Celest, 0 scholars;Magnagora 60 scholars.

The democratic would almost certainly decide "Glomdoring is Tainted, screw this whole RP foundation".

Why on earth from an IC perspective would we "let you win"? Everything the Serenwilde has it has accomplished through player acheivement. We have the power we do because we worked hard to get there. We have the villages we do because we worked hard to get there. We didn't rely on gods to help us, we don't rely on a "big brother", we worked to acheive what it is we wanted.

From an OOC perspective it is sad to see Celest and Glomdoring doing as poorly as they are, but on the otherhand I don't see anyone aside from one or two from each faction stepping up and saying "This is our goal, and this is what we are doing."

Magnagora did this from the start. Serenwilde spent many years fighting internally, and I don't want to sound like I am blowing my own horn, but when I came in the first thing I did was say "enough, I don't care if you hate me and vote me out, but this crap stops and we start pulling together.". Luckily it worked.

Both Celest and Glomdoring need to decide what their goals are and then the leaders have to be prepared to be hated in order to achieve those goals. One of the biggest problems I see is to many people are afraid of being disliked. "I want everyone to love me." is a wishful attitude of a leader, not a realistic one.

Were that to happen we would be on our own



Anyway, Vix asked earlyer what specifically the Divine 'rules' were. I'm sure there are guidelines and so forth, but we are never going to know them, because that would weaken their position, a lot.

they are supposed to be mysterious

and awsome

I think you are a bit missing the point here. It is not about insane RP or not, the problem is that Divine are overpowered because.. well they are GODS they are supposed to be unkillable and able to kill all their enemies instantly anytime. That's the difference between mortals and immortals..

Now, that in itself would not be a problem as Divine usually have other things to do than bother about petty mortal conflicts.. it just seems that in Lusternia in general Divine -do- care -alot- more. And that's when situations happen where they step in to kill raides etc. I do think that those -mortal- problems should be left to mortals to solve and no Divine should have a part in it whatsover.

Sure, raides hurt Glomdoring members but the forest itself is not in danger, so why should Viravain care as much? They are mortals after all.. fragile and caught up in petty conflicts. .. Now if Lisaera for example would launch a project to untaint Glomdoring and lead it back to Mother Moon, -that- would be something where I'd picture Viravain stepping in in full force as then 'her' forest would be threatened.

Just my little opinion on the matter..

And yes, in general if Divine Intervention is a problem, best to mail to support but I also think that discussing it here might clear a few things up.

From being in Lisaera order:
"So and so and so are raiding Your shrines!!"
"Shrines? What's that? That's your work, not mine"

I don't see her more involved with Serenwilde defense than with shrines defense...

That's so true, Iridiel.

Hey, have you noticed that a few certain people that claimed that Viravain was the absolute ruin of Glomdoring are now praising her?

I -wish- I felt like digging around and finding that thread. Heh. Anyawys, I admire her rp. I don't like the ooc imbalance it causes. It isn't fair to the other organizations that have suffered the same.

Morik, you're clueless. We struggled -alot-. We grew in numbers. People stopped arguing with each other and worked together. We made demense plans, pushed people to train, discussed influencing, CF'ed our hardest workers up (we have a large amount of high CF individuals) and still, we find ourselves outnumbered from time to time. We manage. I've gotten quite used to the 'Win some, Lose some' thing. You don't see thread after thread in the Idiots section about how hopeless everything in the SW is. After SW kicked out (I got to push the eject button, whee!) Nikua, we began to ascend.

Malicia, my weetle character, would love to help Celest out. I really could care less if Glomdoring controls a village. If we could strip every village from Magnagora, barring Angkrag and Acknor, I'd be happy. We had them down to one village, at one point. For me, it's not about winning. It's about crippling your ego. Making them eat humble pie. Victory is so much sweeter, being the emerging underdog. As it goes, they're enemies and we would rather not see a village covered in taint. Together, SW and Celest have kicked ass but Celest has to understand that some Serens want very little to do with the cities. It annoys me at times, in game, but I have to respect it.

It's been a year. Glomdoring is not a 'new' commune and Celest has been out as long as we have. Fix what's going on internally and stop accusing others of taking what's yours. SW and Celest still need each other from time to time, but many Celestians (that I've talked to, at least) are ready to stand on their own and can't figure out why it simply is -not- happening.

But back on topic: I want Lisaera to grab a few swords and defend Faethorn with us the next time we're outnumbered.

Who?