Not you! You really want me to find that thread? 
I so will.
I so will.
As long as it's not me, that's ok. 
QUOTE(Malicia @ Oct 24 2005, 06:39 AM)
That's so true, Iridiel.
Hey, have you noticed that a few certain people that claimed that Viravain was the absolute ruin of Glomdoring are now praising her?Â
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I -wish- I felt like digging around and finding that thread. Heh. Anyawys,  I admire her rp. I don't like the ooc imbalance it causes. It isn't fair to the other organizations that have suffered the same.
Morik, you're clueless. We struggled -alot-. We grew in numbers. People stopped arguing with each other and worked together. We made demense plans, pushed people to train, discussed influencing, CF'ed our hardest workers up (we have a large amount of high CF individuals) and still, we find ourselves outnumbered from time to time. We manage. I've gotten quite used to the 'Win some, Lose some' thing. You don't see thread after thread in the Idiots section about how hopeless everything in the SW is. After SW kicked out (I got to push the eject button, whee!)Â Nikua, we began to ascend.
Malicia, my weetle character, would love to help Celest out. I really could care less if Glomdoring controls a village. If we could strip every village from Magnagora, barring Angkrag and Acknor, I'd be happy. We had them down to one village, at one point. For me, it's not about winning. It's about crippling your ego. Making them eat humble pie. Victory is so much sweeter, being the emerging underdog. As it goes, they're enemies and we would rather not see a village covered in taint. Together, SW and Celest have kicked ass but Celest has to understand that some Serens want very little to do with the cities. It annoys me at times, in game, but I have to respect it.
It's been a year. Glomdoring is not a 'new' commune and Celest has been out as long as we have. Fix what's going on internally and stop accusing others of taking what's yours. SW and Celest still need each other from time to time, but many Celestians (that I've talked to, at least) are ready to stand on their own and can't figure out why it simply is -not- happening.Â
Hey, have you noticed that a few certain people that claimed that Viravain was the absolute ruin of Glomdoring are now praising her?Â
 I -wish- I felt like digging around and finding that thread. Heh. Anyawys,  I admire her rp. I don't like the ooc imbalance it causes. It isn't fair to the other organizations that have suffered the same.
Morik, you're clueless. We struggled -alot-. We grew in numbers. People stopped arguing with each other and worked together. We made demense plans, pushed people to train, discussed influencing, CF'ed our hardest workers up (we have a large amount of high CF individuals) and still, we find ourselves outnumbered from time to time. We manage. I've gotten quite used to the 'Win some, Lose some' thing. You don't see thread after thread in the Idiots section about how hopeless everything in the SW is. After SW kicked out (I got to push the eject button, whee!)Â Nikua, we began to ascend.
Malicia, my weetle character, would love to help Celest out. I really could care less if Glomdoring controls a village. If we could strip every village from Magnagora, barring Angkrag and Acknor, I'd be happy. We had them down to one village, at one point. For me, it's not about winning. It's about crippling your ego. Making them eat humble pie. Victory is so much sweeter, being the emerging underdog. As it goes, they're enemies and we would rather not see a village covered in taint. Together, SW and Celest have kicked ass but Celest has to understand that some Serens want very little to do with the cities. It annoys me at times, in game, but I have to respect it.
It's been a year. Glomdoring is not a 'new' commune and Celest has been out as long as we have. Fix what's going on internally and stop accusing others of taking what's yours. SW and Celest still need each other from time to time, but many Celestians (that I've talked to, at least) are ready to stand on their own and can't figure out why it simply is -not- happening.Â
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Yeah I'm with you on that note. I'd like Celest to do her own dirty deeds without Serenwilde but for the moment a lot of there players help supplement our need for a fighting force from time to time. I think it would help if we put our arena together faster so we could have easier access to combat. However, Celest has always been more character centered in that regard. We do have more women in Celest than Magnagora. Don't hate!
Lastly, seriously I am really impressed with SW and how largely its grown mostly due to its entirely neutral standing against magnagora and celest. As well as good organization, fighters, and leadership.
QUOTE(Malicia @ Oct 24 2005, 09:39 PM)
Hey, have you noticed that a few certain people that claimed that Viravain was the absolute ruin of Glomdoring are now praising her? Â
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IF I'm included in that few certain people, you either haven't quite read my post properly or you've missed my point completely.
I like the concept of Viravain. It's creative and most definitely interesting, giving us a breath of fresh of air, something different from the usual high, mighty and dignified divine. She's psychotic, she's wild, she doesn't give two hoots about whether people like her or not, so long as they listen and don't harm her forest.
Unfortunately, it doesn't mean she's good for Glomdoring.
What I didn't like, was that the way the concept of Viravain was executed before, while absolutely fascinating, was counter-productive to the growth of Glomdoring. Insane leaders provide excellent material for books and stories, I love reading or hearing about wacky leaders, but to actually live under them, or watch friends suffer under them, is a different story. Hitler was charismatic, he got things done, he was psychotic, fascinating, unique. But was he good for Germany? No.
As an objective player, I'd love to watch Viravain's insanity develop, and see what drama comes out of the commune next. As a Magnagoran, I'd prioritise the growth and prosperity of an ally nation over the whims and fancies of an insane goddess.
It's a love-hate relationship.
It's admittedly hard to execute the concept of an insane leader and at the same time have your nation grow and prosper under your rule. There's a really fine line to walk, and it'll take a ton of thought and planning to perhaps be able to slip beneficial decisions under the mask of an insane whim. But that was the chance Glomdoring took, I should think. Or at least, the producers.
QUOTE(Malicia @ Oct 24 2005, 10:16 AM)
Narsrim didn't mind her until he was wisped and slain by her in Glomdoring. Munsia as well.
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I've never liked her. Still dontQUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 24 2005, 04:51 PM)
That's a rather twisted argument. Faethorn is no more "neutral" that Earth, Water, Celestia, Nil, etc. While Queen Maeve may not be pledged to Moon or Night (becuase it is impossible to accomplish as the quest is botched at the moment), people were entering (Magnagora and Glomdorians) and slaying Fae (which is a bit crappy for Glomdoring's RP because they are supposed to be pro-Fae too...)... so that isn't exactly "neutral"
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OOCly, we enslave them. We had to kill them for a long time, the only reason we don't have to kill them is because Maeve *forced* us not to by casting a spell so their corpses couldn't be given to their avatars. How does this make us pro-Fae? On an OOC level, that is, ICly we're doing things this way in their best interests, of course.
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Oct 24 2005, 08:51 PM)
That's a rather twisted argument. Faethorn is no more "neutral" that Earth, Water, Celestia, Nil, etc. While Queen Maeve may not be pledged to Moon or Night (becuase it is impossible to accomplish as the quest is botched at the moment), people were entering (Magnagora and Glomdorians) and slaying Fae (which is a bit crappy for Glomdoring's RP because they are supposed to be pro-Fae too...)... so that isn't exactly "neutral"
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Well, I was more technically talking. I said myself that I'd still go up there and get my sorry ass to defend as well.
And it doesn't -have- to be bad RP per se, I think. Just some of the Gloms don't listen to their avatars THIS time and still carry on killing.
(Of course this applies only if the avatars first said 'Kill Fae' and now say 'Bring the little cuties to me')
But essentially, Nil/Celest/Earth/Water have drawbacks for their 'owners' if something happens to, say, the Earthlords or the Supernals. Faethorn has nothing like that for Serenwilde nor Glomdoring.
EDIT: Bleh, next time edit sooner, Xenthos.
Well, seeing that the Glomdoringers aren't allowed to give the fae to the avatars by a third force, this means they could still follow their (the avatars) words and kill Fae just for the sake of it. Maybe if they RPed a little after it and then offered the corpses at a shrine or something, it would be better.
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Oct 24 2005, 04:52 PM)
OOCly, we enslave them. We had to kill them for a long time, the only reason we don't have to kill them is because Maeve *forced* us not to by casting a spell so their corpses couldn't be given to their avatars. How does this make us pro-Fae? On an OOC level, that is, ICly we're doing things this way in their best interests, of course.Â
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Then you shouldn't object OOCly to Narsrim and the Moondancers (this is in book of things to do) going to speak with Maeve and saying:
Why would you ever allow Glomdoring to even remotely have a chance to gather your favor when they in fact still murder your beloved people?
As it stands, Glomdoring has sacrificed what small claim it may have had to Faethorn.
