Mistake? What mistake? Everything that has been done so far has been premeditated. I don't see any mistakes, sorry.

The items were given back before he attempted to rob MY ORDER SHOP (to which I have a key, stock, etc). This was part of the agreement when I got them:

We wanted to see if he'd hand them over (potentially losing any benefit from the act) as a gesture of faith in the leadership. It was *not* an act to seize the items. Once I had the items, I messaged Lisaera to see if she had anything to say. I heard nothing. Several days had passed. No god contacted me. So... I gave them back... which was the initial arrangement.

If I were psychic, I wouldn't have given them, but alas I practice Hexes not Tarot.

What is the point? Neither are of any political importance whatsoever.. I still don't get how he can get away with what he does without having any kind of position. I certainly wouldn't be able to in Magnagora, and I've all the freedom I need.

And Narsrim, I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but weren't you ordered not to give them back to Voron.. at all, after he coughed them up? I mean, he robbed the damn stockroom graced, why on earth would you give them back regardless of what he says? It is abuse, aren't you always so quick to call on abuse yourself? Yes you are.. you're issueing people left and right for anything that smells like it.

Such dirty laundries being aired, all I have to say is I'm glad I enemied Voron pre-emptively to Serenwilde.

Security, as I found out to my dissapointment, is just as political as a secretary. And he does holds positions in moondancers because security is one. He is also a GR 19 (unless he got disfavoured) and no doubt he is a very respected person within the moondancers.

And Narsrim's oppinion is that if the goods have to be returned for the abuse of grace, the divine will order this. While I disagree with this, it is also an oppinion I can respect. If anything, if Voron had any shred of dignity oocly, he would of given back the items himself.

If he had a bit of dignity ooc he wouldn't have tried to steal from Celest right after being told off by their leadership. He wouldn't have lied about "stealing to hurt the taint" when it was obviously personal gain.
Or did he discover that Hajamin is a hidden Tainted Soulless and was just hurting the taint more by stealing from his order shop? I though that was a secret!

200 in a day is a lot different than 200 a day, for 6 days. I understand needing it, but then you work on getting the rules changed, instead of flaunting them. That's the only part that annoyed me. Well, that, and your overdraw putting us in negative power gain that one day.

-shrug-

Anyway, that's off topic, sorry about bringing it up.

but it could of been his RP to be twofaced towards the moondancers, wich is fine. It was oocly fine to try and steal from Hajamin's order store too. The grace abuse was not fine oocly.

And everyone knows Hajamin is Kethuru's avatar

Dear Mr. Extrapolation who was not present:

I was not ordered period. I was present with Tsuki when it was decided that we would see if he would cough over the items. The entire time, it was understood and verbally agreed upon that they would be returned if Lady Lisaera or another Elder God did not inform us that their Divine Grace was violated (and yes, Lady Lisaera was informed although I received no response). Our goal was not to seize the items (at this point) to return them to Jadryga. It was to see if he was willing to abide by Coven law.

You can try and manipulate this rather annoying twist of fate to my disfavor all you want, however, someone else was present when all of this went down so it isn't as if I can lie. I even *told* Tsuki when this happened that there was a chance something could go wrong because other people felt it was our role to police Divine Grace and as such, I made it quite evident that the procedure would be as follows:



Now, whether you like this or not isn't my concern nor is it relevant. The point was that I wasn't going to "steal" from him to prove "stealing" is wrong. At this point, there was no reason to not believe Voron, and he did twist everything to make a decent argument. He later asked for the items back, and I had no reason not to give them back as such was the initial agreement (Shorlen was not aware of this apparently). He then turns around and tries to rob Ekard (in MY ORDER SHOP).

The matter being resolved, it seems like a good enough time to close this topic.