QUOTE(Thorgal @ Nov 1 2005, 05:45 AM)
Moonbeam wasn't abused on its own, no.. but the matter still needs to be fixed, and moonbeam is the only skill in Lusternia allowing someone to enter a stockroom.. I only see a couple solutions:
* Make moonbeam an aggressive act, so you have to declare and cannot be graced, just like Via for example.
* Remove divine grace from the game.
* Make it impossible to enter a stockroom other than walking.
* Make moonbeam an aggressive act, so you have to declare and cannot be graced, just like Via for example.
* Remove divine grace from the game.
* Make it impossible to enter a stockroom other than walking.
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You might as well make teleport an agressive act while you're at itQUOTE(munsia @ Nov 1 2005, 12:28 PM)
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Yeah, you can totally teleport to someone in a mono'd stockroom.
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Oct 31 2005, 07:39 PM)
AHA. SO YOU'RE KYMIR. Now there's no guilt in hunting you down and killing you. <3
If you kill a lot Seren novices, I imagine the divine will step in. However, Magnagora probably won't. The action itself is not WRONG by Seren standards - it was the means (Grace) that he did it which we, as players, find morally reprehensive. The Moondancers, however, are very conservative - they don't give a damn about Tainted Ones, and should probably be throwing him a parade. However, if the divine were to say, "Nah, we ain't touchin' this one." then I imagine the Dancers would bend RP to deal with it appropriately.
However, Magnagora and Glomdoring have abused grace to do so many things that bug the hell out of us, why should we punish someone from doing something that bugs them?
Just playing devil's advocate - in all honesty, I hope the kid gets shrubbed and site banned. However, I'm bugged that you're all expecting the Dancers to do a 360 on their roleplay for it.
Especially because you're telling them to do so over the Forums.
If you kill a lot Seren novices, I imagine the divine will step in. However, Magnagora probably won't. The action itself is not WRONG by Seren standards - it was the means (Grace) that he did it which we, as players, find morally reprehensive. The Moondancers, however, are very conservative - they don't give a damn about Tainted Ones, and should probably be throwing him a parade. However, if the divine were to say, "Nah, we ain't touchin' this one." then I imagine the Dancers would bend RP to deal with it appropriately.
However, Magnagora and Glomdoring have abused grace to do so many things that bug the hell out of us, why should we punish someone from doing something that bugs them?
Just playing devil's advocate - in all honesty, I hope the kid gets shrubbed and site banned. However, I'm bugged that you're all expecting the Dancers to do a 360 on their roleplay for it.
Especially because you're telling them to do so over the Forums.
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Firstly, I believe my combat talents outstrip your own by a comfortable margin (as proven by our 'ickle encounter in the Sea of Despair - sorry for cosmicfiring you to death, btw, ran out of power to Wrack) so that threat doesn't really worry me.
Secondly, as far as I'm aware, no Magnagoran has yet to sneak into a stockroom while untouchable by any kind of violence and make off with every item there. The only notable Magnagoran thief was Yrael, who, if you remember, used domination in conjuction with hexes in order to make vestiphobia stick, remove selfishness and order people to give him items. Mean? - Yes. An abuse? - No, since it was very possible to stop him by attacking/incapacitating him. He died more than a few times. And if you'll notice Yrael isn't Magnagoran any longer: I'm fairly certain he was threw out.
Secondly, if their roleplay is to emulate the actions of a lesser fae, it's pretty goddamn crappy roleplay. Just because a leprechaun picks things up incessantly you think it's suddenly okay to steal from people for no readily discernible people while under an impenetrable barrier? That takes quite the suspension of disbelief. I'm afraid I'm not willing to believe that. And if it's true, do the Moondancers emulate the actions of all fae? Do they also, say, go around giving their mana to people? Do they all practise the arts of bowmanship because their pixies have little envenomed arrows?
And finally, a hypothetical scenario for you. How would you all like it if Nihilists went around in groups of three - ten people, attacking lone Seren and Celestians and killing them? Nihilist RP dictates that Seren and Celest are the enemies, to be converted to the cause of Magnagora or killed. Added to that, Ashtorath, one of the most important Demon Lords, teaches never to forget an insult or attack and always seek vengeance. So a Nihilist emulating Ashtorath would be forced to kill anyone who ever slighted him in any fashion. I imagine Celestians and Seren would complain a fair deal if a hardcore RPer + combatant took this route, though, and started murdering anyone who looked at him funny or said hello.
"You think you are worthy of speaking to me, merian/elfen?! SUFFER THE WRATH OF LORD ASHTORATH!"
As to the first one, had you not used Nihilism at all, I believe you'ld have found us on fairer grounds. I mean, take away my druidry, take away your demon - we're fairly even, then. You'll have Tarot, I'll have ecology. Nihilists are meant for melee combat - druids, however, are not. That's why I can hit you at least one room away with my fetish. ;D
As to the crap about Moondancers emulating the actions of all fae - of course not. Do all Moondancers steal? No. Some do. Do all Fae steal? No. Some do.
And there's a difference between Nihilists refusing to follow one RP route hardcore style, and asking Moondancers to punish an aspect of something they revear. That'd be like expecting the Nihilists to punish said Ashtorathian. It'd be rediculous. No one can expect them to do that.
Although I'd expect them to tell them he really shouldn't go to such extremes - and I guarantee you this dancer novice has been told such.
And, Leprechauns steal gold off your enemies, too. Not just stuff off the ground.
QUOTE(Jack @ Nov 1 2005, 06:19 PM)
Firstly, I believe my combat talents outstrip your own by a comfortable margin (as proven by our 'ickle encounter in the Sea of Despair - sorry for cosmicfiring you to death, btw, ran out of power to Wrack) so that threat doesn't really worry me.Â
Secondly, as far as I'm aware, no Magnagoran has yet to sneak into a stockroom while untouchable by any kind of violence and make off with every item there. The only notable Magnagoran thief was Yrael, who, if you remember, used domination in conjuction with hexes in order to make vestiphobia stick, remove selfishness and order people to give him items. Mean? - Yes. An abuse? - No, since it was very possible to stop him by attacking/incapacitating him. He died more than a few times. And if you'll notice Yrael isn't Magnagoran any longer: I'm fairly certain he was threw out.
Secondly, if their roleplay is to emulate the actions of a lesser fae, it's pretty goddamn crappy roleplay. Just because a leprechaun picks things up incessantly you think it's suddenly okay to steal from people for no readily discernible people while under an impenetrable barrier? That takes quite the suspension of disbelief. I'm afraid I'm not willing to believe that. And if it's true, do the Moondancers emulate the actions of all fae? Do they also, say, go around giving their mana to people? Do they all practise the arts of bowmanship because their pixies have little envenomed arrows?
And finally, a hypothetical scenario for you. How would you all like it if Nihilists went around in groups of three - ten people, attacking lone Seren and Celestians and killing them? Nihilist RP dictates that Seren and Celest are the enemies, to be converted to the cause of Magnagora or killed. Added to that, Ashtorath, one of the most important Demon Lords, teaches never to forget an insult or attack and always seek vengeance. So a Nihilist emulating Ashtorath would be forced to kill anyone who ever slighted him in any fashion. I imagine Celestians and Seren would complain a fair deal if a hardcore RPer + combatant took this route, though, and started murdering anyone who looked at him funny or said hello.
"You think you are worthy of speaking to me, merian/elfen?! SUFFER THE WRATH OF LORD ASHTORATH!"
Secondly, as far as I'm aware, no Magnagoran has yet to sneak into a stockroom while untouchable by any kind of violence and make off with every item there. The only notable Magnagoran thief was Yrael, who, if you remember, used domination in conjuction with hexes in order to make vestiphobia stick, remove selfishness and order people to give him items. Mean? - Yes. An abuse? - No, since it was very possible to stop him by attacking/incapacitating him. He died more than a few times. And if you'll notice Yrael isn't Magnagoran any longer: I'm fairly certain he was threw out.
Secondly, if their roleplay is to emulate the actions of a lesser fae, it's pretty goddamn crappy roleplay. Just because a leprechaun picks things up incessantly you think it's suddenly okay to steal from people for no readily discernible people while under an impenetrable barrier? That takes quite the suspension of disbelief. I'm afraid I'm not willing to believe that. And if it's true, do the Moondancers emulate the actions of all fae? Do they also, say, go around giving their mana to people? Do they all practise the arts of bowmanship because their pixies have little envenomed arrows?
And finally, a hypothetical scenario for you. How would you all like it if Nihilists went around in groups of three - ten people, attacking lone Seren and Celestians and killing them? Nihilist RP dictates that Seren and Celest are the enemies, to be converted to the cause of Magnagora or killed. Added to that, Ashtorath, one of the most important Demon Lords, teaches never to forget an insult or attack and always seek vengeance. So a Nihilist emulating Ashtorath would be forced to kill anyone who ever slighted him in any fashion. I imagine Celestians and Seren would complain a fair deal if a hardcore RPer + combatant took this route, though, and started murdering anyone who looked at him funny or said hello.
"You think you are worthy of speaking to me, merian/elfen?! SUFFER THE WRATH OF LORD ASHTORATH!"
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As to the crap about Moondancers emulating the actions of all fae - of course not. Do all Moondancers steal? No. Some do. Do all Fae steal? No. Some do.
And there's a difference between Nihilists refusing to follow one RP route hardcore style, and asking Moondancers to punish an aspect of something they revear. That'd be like expecting the Nihilists to punish said Ashtorathian. It'd be rediculous. No one can expect them to do that.
Although I'd expect them to tell them he really shouldn't go to such extremes - and I guarantee you this dancer novice has been told such.
And, Leprechauns steal gold off your enemies, too. Not just stuff off the ground.
