How did they get back there? He robbed the MOONDANCERS now?

Narsrim.

... wait. Voron steals from Celest, from HAJAMIN'S SHOP (or tries to), gets kicked from the Moondancers... and then Narsrim gives him the stuff back? I sure hope Hajamin notices this.

That's actually exactly what happened.

We're not happy.


EDIT: To be fair, Narsrim seems to have given him the stuff back before Voron robbed from Lord Hajamin's shop. However, Narsrim was clearly told NOT TO GIVE THE STUFF BACK and he did anyway.

Now, now. It is possible he gave the items stolen from Jadryga back to Voron before that occured. Or, perhaps, it just better suits Narsrim's personal roleplay to do so, rather than continue holding the items or even returning them to Jadryga.

Before jumping to conclusions, it might be better to wait for him to comment, however.

Edit: Aha! I was right the first time.

, I know, I edited my above post just before you posted this with what actually happened. I'm just really quite angry about it all.

As far as I can tell, Narsrim returned the items before Voron set about trying to steal again. No, I'm not pleased, but apparently my instructions left room for confusion ...

Edit: Oi, three posts snuck in an ninja'd me ...

... you showed me those instructions, and they didn't.

Someone else, when asked an opinion on the statement I'd said, didn't view the words as the two of us did, Shorlen. And I haven't had time to catch Narsrim and talk with him about it yet.

Well in that case the admin SHOULD intervene, get the items from Voron/Narsrim that belong to Jadryga since it was robbed by abuse of grace (and apparently Voron/Narsrim don't want to give it back?) and return it to Jadryga.

Voron acquired some items illegally, from an OOC perspective, so the admins should return the items in question, since obviously some people don't think they have a responsibility to be decent enough to do it themselves.

I suppose these are the cases that admins need to interfere in.

I mean, if the Admins would be so kind .


EDIT: Shorlen - Eiru meant Voron/Narsrim, he didn't misunderstand, but he couldn't edit in time 'cause of a browser problem. ~Shiri~

You misunderstand. Narsrim gave the items back to Voron. What possessed him to do such a thing, I don't know.

EDIT: Actually, I believe Narsrim's take on it is, if the Gods didn't take the items from him and give the items directly to Jadryga, then the Gods must not mind them being taken, and since Jadryga's tainted, the theft was prefectly okay if the Gods aren't opposed to it.

You're right, Lady Viravain.. all this certainly fits Narsrim.

Ah, I leaped to this conclusion because, up until Viravain stated that the Moondancers no longer had them, all we've heard is that the items were locked up in the shop. Including Laneth saying it less than an hour ago.

I am not going to decide if an as-of-yet to be fully determined action 'fits' Narsrim. I'm rather unamused and mildly surprised at the fact the items were returned at all, yes. The intent behind it, however, is up to personal opinion and any comments Narsrim makes on the subject, and I would rather hold on passing judgement.

You are more than entitled to your personal opinion, just be careful not to assume what mine is, as well.

So, basically, it went like this:

Voron steals from a shop.
Voron gets grilled by the Moondancer leadership, and gives up the items thinking that maybe stealing isn't so good.
Voron ends up getting the items back.
Voron says "Oh my, stealing is perfectly okay!"
Voron tries to steal from another shop, but this one turns out to be an ally.
Voron gets kicked.

Right?

I would not presume to imagine I know what Voron has been thinking at all.

Edit: I can say that his attempt to steal again was what led to his punishment. He'd specifically said during the 4 hrs or so of me talking to him that he would "never" steal or try to steal from a Celest or Serenwilde shop. He'd also been strongly advised, if not outright directed (yes, that was a slip on my part, apparently) by his guildmistress NOT to engage in any other such similar activities until issues were settled.

Another problem that was apparently my fault was using the word "issues" in one of the dictionary definitions and it being interpretted by various persons to mean only the in-game report.

Here, from one of the dictionary.com entries for "issue," is the term as I was using it:
a. A point or matter of discussion, debate, or dispute: legal and moral issues.
b. A matter of public concern: debated economic issues.
c. A misgiving, objection, or complaint: had issues with the plan to change the curriculum.
d. The essential point; crux: the issue of how to provide adequate child care.
e. A culminating point leading to a decision: bring a case to an issue.

Yes, I should have been clearer.

Not quite. You forgot the part where Voron pleads how honorable his actions were, and how they fit perfectly into our beliefs, and that he did not steal the items to aid himself, but instead to harm the Taint and our enemies.

And, later, Voron steals from Celestians because he decided he needed more gold. THEN he gets kicked, mainly for playing us for fools.

Oh! And then Voron gets enemied to the Serenwilde as a pre-emptive measure against theft

Hmm... not a bad idea.

Narsrim does what Narsrim wants to do, simple as that.