Theft can be useful. We feel we have the ability as players to deal with these situations as they arise and that, as characters, many of us have been around a long time and are able to guide, push or remove those that need it. I apologise if you feel this is wrong, but, that's your problem.

everyone has these lists, personally I have my -redlist- or shitlist as I call it. I make people's names who have ever particitpated in group combat outside of defending territory where guards can be placed (Yes, this is a list of people who think they can remain a non-combatant and still "defend" faethorn)

On another note, how about we just nerf grace? I mean, you only get grace from conglutinating or praying (unless there is something else?) and really you only need like 60 seconds of grace to ensure you don't get your ass handed to you. It'd make my life a lot easier as I'll often def up graced, forget about it and make a run into the enemy promptly causing me to feel like a tool

Heh, what I feel is not the issue, what you allow is.

Noone said you can't do it, right? Noone said this is anyone else's opinion but mine, and I will maintain that compared to the other guilds the Moondancers' is the least honorable, not to mention the fact that you don't take into consideration the amount of stress you present other players with when you steal.

But then again, it's just me, and if the code allows it, why not, eh? More power to you.

(again, I don't mean to generalise, I'm not talking about the players, not most of them anyway, but the guild's policy on theft.)

The Moondancers like to maintain a high standard of roleplay. Acting on the basis of "player concerns" is an OOC facet that is in fact not roleplay. There is nothing in-game to justify that death, for example, is "less" than stealing. Also, we are not designed nor charged to defend player concerns. That's why we have a game administration - to handles issues like the abuse of grace.

Furthermore, the guild's policy on theft is that it is handled on a case by case basis. If we completely banned theft, we'd also have to ban leprechauns as their sole purpose is to steal. Sorry, it just isn't going to happen.

Erm, they do Shayle.

Heh. Is Voron your alt, Narsrim?

Just curious.

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Moondancers 22 121 11
Serenguard 9 95 7
Hartstone 18 74 8
Celestines 23 59 2
Nihilists 6 58 8
Paladins 21 53 6
Ur'Guard 9 51 2
Geomancers 11 49 4
Shadowdancers 17 46 4
Aquamancers 17 46 2
Blacktalon 11 42 2
Ebonguard 9 31 2
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The Moondancers put a lot of work into making itself a very nice guild - by far the best guild I've ever been in with my IRE history. There is a lot of roleplay that goes on in the guild because we have a lot of active members who try to have fun with it and make it enjoyable for others.

Yes, Eiru. Viravain is also my alt. Can't you tell?

Yes I know. I was just amused at who was pointing it out.

Honestly though, what has topguilds got to do with roleplay?

Is there a point?

Hmm.. oh wait, did they put in a system where the code checks if you're roleplaying or not? Dang, talk about technological advancement.

I don't know.

IMO, people don't like Narsrim at times because he sticks rather consistently to his role of being a thorn against his foes. I've been accused many times of not "taking player concerns" or "not taking into consideration the person behind the screen" when I act. I'm sorry, but I find this unacceptable.

Given that Lusternia is a roleplaying environment, we tend to find that guilds (in all IRE games) that have a heavy focus on roleplay and character concerns IC are the biggest.

Ah I see. So Estarra and co also have no honour for designing these skills that allow people to steal, right? Or do you draw a magical line there somewhere? It would be possible to alter the code to stop theft, I imagine, so clearly they are nefarious fiends and scallywags, just like us Moondancers.

Go ahead, twist my words, since that's the only thing you can do.
They can also zap anyone they want, can't they? I don't see that happening everyday.

Stop being defensive, and who cares about what I think anyway? And if you notice my little "I'm sorry to generalise" maybe you'll see I'm trying *not* to generalise.

damn straight.

If you are going to try and make an argument then it would be in your best interest to do so with tact and logic: You attempted to argue that the Moondancers were at "fault" for not banning theft. One justification of this was the Moondancers fail to take into consideration *player concerns.*

The counter argument made was that Estarra and company must be at "fault" then because they have created abilities that allow theft to be possible. As such, we can infer by this they are therefore not taking into consideration *player concerns* based upon your rationale.

I fail to see how that is twisted. If anything, the initial argument you presented was twisted.

For someone who holds honour so highly, Eiru, you were quite happy to use a game mechanic that hadn't been finalized and balanced yet.

I'm not twisting your words I am showing that if you want to belittle us for not flatout banning theft you must also agree that the administrators hold some responsibility for allowing players to intialiaze theft in the first place. You want to throw around terms like dishonour then you must have the gumption to stand up to the people that seemed to think it would be ok for us to decide whether we should allow theft or not.

Has Serenwilde decided to stop using wisp until that point, then? If so, I haven't heard anything about it.