You only need ~3 seconds to get from the PoF to any city as a warrior or forestal.. reducing grace to one minute isn't going to fix anything.

Wasn't so much lag as ultra-huge lagspikes. I'm using wireless, and I'm starting to wonder if someone's leeching off my broadband, since the line's not encrypted. I'll probably get it encrypted within the next week or two, next week is Hari Raya, muslim New Year, so I doubt many people are working. It took me half an hour to fill two kegs with Eiru, mainly because I was supplying herbs and kegs, and most of our time was spent waiting for my screen to move so I could give him stuff. Those were the two kegs I dropped in my stockroom right before it got robbed, heh.

Xenthos! I was eating when I read that, and I choked because of you! You almost killed me!

Oops?

... and nothing is done! Yay! Apparently, since he stole them while under Divine grace, we shouldn't do anything about it, since it's now the divine's problem, and not ours, since they gave him the grace, and only they can punish him, or some bullshit like that. So, according to others in my guild, the goods will stay confisgated and won't be returned unless a Divine tells us to. Not only that, stealing is okay because the Fae do it, and apparently we're supposed to be like the Fae since we protect them.

:not happy:

Sorry, Jadryga, I tried

I should leave Lusternia - I get too upset over this stupid stuff. But, as everyone knows, I won't, and couldn't if I wanted to. :mumble:

I don't see the problem Shorlen :shrug:. Oh well!

You don't think that theft under divine grace is wrong and unfair IC or OOC? Am I the only Moondancer who thinks this?

Hah, so moondancers are the thieves guild of Lusternia.

Btw, I predicted this outcome on the page 2. I'm psychic!

Looks like. And that makes me quite angry OOC, because I hate dealing with that sort of thing in these games, especially the lame factor of some methods used (like beaming in under divine grace, which is apparently quite accepted as a valid way of doing things by the playerbase). But there's nothing IC I can do about it, beyond what I have already tried. Narsrim's comments about stealing being perfectly okay because the Fae do it were enough to sway Shorlen, because they were quite true, and Tsuki's idea that divine grace isn't something we can police IC, since what the Divine do isn't our concern, and since they didn't take away Voron's grace when he beamed in, then the Divine must condone his actions - there's really nothing Shorlen can say to that. So, OOC, I'm quite, quite unhappy, but IC, I guess Shorlen doesn't disagree with the rest of his guild.

So, yeah - I guess we're the thieves guild of Lusternia.

As a newer player, I shouldn't have had to have been told that we had a precedent about stealing, it should have been recorded somewhere in our files ... but that's an internal guild thing.

As a character, Tsuki can enforce punishments against behaviour under her jurisdiction. So far as behaviour, the precedent says that in and of itself it's not wrong. If she says, however, that someone should be punished for using the Grace of the Divine, that's tantamount to saying the Divine were wrong in granting that Grace. Tsuki, as a mortal, can't say what is or isn't misuse (as opposed to use) of such Grace.

As a player, the situation is irritating. Yes, it was lame (at best) to steal while protected by Grace. If I could bring the OOC into IC, I would, but I can't see how Tsuki (IC) can presume to dictate or imagine she can enforce about the use of Divine Grace. I (OOC) don't like it, but I (both) am not going to start being arbitrary and punish (IC) for whatever I (OOC) see as wrong. Go down that road too far and it degenerates to punishments for daring to voice an opinion or even more trivial things.

That's not what I said, please don't twist or add to what I say. IC, it doesn't bother me so much - for the reasons stated above which I don't need to cover again - though I do have a problem with people abusing our good nature. OOC, of course it is annoyance but it is something that the admins might need to look at code-wise. What would you have me do?

Meh, sorry, didn't mean to twist your words - I thought that's what you meant by what you said.

Not giving back Jadryga those goods stolen under grace, for whatever reason, is disgustingly low..

That's not even thieving anymore, that's thugging. The grace part makes this pure grief and completely unnecessary. Stealing under grace is okay because there is a Fae that steals? That has to be the most rediculous justification for theft I have ever heard.

But man, they just couldn't do anything! They're roleplaying much!

It would be in breach of our Covenant to aid an enemy.



Fair enough, though as Tsuki has said, the grace was granted by the Divine and we do not feel we can judge, IC, that it was wrongly used. All it would take is for Lisaera to say "Yo, , he abused our gift to him. Smack him around or I will" and we could take our cue from there.



Well the Leprechaun does it. If we were to say theft is outright wrong, we are saying the Leprechaun's nature is wrong. Considering our guild revolves the Fae, it would sort of be a bit silly. The reasoning makes perfect sense to me.

How convenient isn't it?


Since when do Leprechauns break into shops with divine grace and clear it out?

No. Stealing itself, in the nature of the act, isn't reprehensible because there's a Fae who follows that nature. As it isn't reprehensible, it's allowable under certain circumstances.


Oh ... my ... god. Or Goddess, as the case is. Am I the only one laughing hysterically at the idea of Lisaera saying that precise phrase?

My only concern is that a graced person isn't able to use moonbean to go to enemies, as that's clearly an agresive act.

Moonbeam is NOT an aggressive act, as teleport is NOT an aggressive act, i've teleported to people on the peak watching divinely things happen before, and, if on my way up the peak, i've moondanced during the same circumstances later.

The problem is with grace, as it has been in the past, and will continue to me, untill 1 of two things happen.
1.people grow up
2.the gods create babying measures for every single circumstance, once they find them all.

I can hope for the former, but in reality it's more likely the latter will happen.

I wasn't talking about OOC punishment.



I was addressing the issue of theft in general. You're not doing much for your own argument when you fail to counter my actual points.