As my ghostly last, I really shouldn't use the same glass for mixing and drinking..

First day - no information. Vote no lynch? No, random vote for reactions. You look funny if you -don't- just throw a vote out before anything important's been said. And really... nothing important had been said.

If you want to point fingers, Nars, find a better reason than first day voting.

vote Narsrim

Push, push, push, push - I'll shove back sooner or later.

Odd for me is -not- speaking up. I'm not going to go back and rebutt all those points, cause they're getting repetitive and someone else'll just bring up how defensive I am.

Suhnaye and Sylphas are both fairly quiet - I'd keep an eye on them (Sylphas is a slimy one!!!)


*forgot to press post again... oops*

-eye- No, Sylphas is just tired and is too incoherent to think for this at this point in the day. Work sucks.

Since when am I quiet?

I've been tired as hell all week acctually, still, I've been more talkative on here than most others I think... Maybe not so much this day, but I am talkin.

Now that I've had a decent nights sleep, I'm going to Vote Narsrim for the same reason I FoSed him. He's icky feeling to me... His working on Kiarlea because of the first day is odd, but not especially incriminating. What I'm curious about is why he's yet to be night killed, as he's one of the people that should be a prime target for the scum. Xenthos is also someone who generally speaking would normally be a target for the scum to go after at night. Revan was another logical target. Either we need to determine that the most dangerous people are deffinetly innocent, or we need to get rid of them as the experienced players are going to be the ones who are hard to get a read on. Theres also the point I brought up earlier about him voting for YoLF right away last day. I can see how YoLF was a suspect after a while of prodding, but early on he wasn't much more suspicious than the rest of us. Also, my FoS stands on Cwin, and I'm also FoSing Xenthos because of his targettableness, we need to determine quickly if he's scum or not.

Could we get a nice vote/FoS count by our mods?
I feel a bit suspicious about Cwin, mostly due to having a lot of information. She's an experienced player, so it can come from there, and from her being the tainted sweet voice of reason in my past games.
So vote Cwin and let's hope we're not wrong this time and she isn't Timmie...

On the other hand, Kiarlea voting for Nasrim because he has raised suspicions about her is just not helping us townies a lot. We need to discover the mafia, not intimidate people into voting, and the only ones who would be so blunt as to try to lynch people who FoS them would be mafias in my opinion.
So, FoS Kiarlea

Blah. I wish I had a game where I was good and didn't die. Oh well. This game will be my way of showing how I am on the other side of the fence.

As for Nars, I'm getting two insticts about him: He's definatly not a Timmie firstly. The other is this, and I'm saying it out of honesty so my apologies: My head says to vote for him, my gut says 'not even a FoS'. I follow my gut more because my head tends to be a mess (take the last batch of posts and make every post in this thread like that: that's how I think normaly).

Vote Count:

Narsrim- 2 (Kiarlea, Suhnaye)
Cwin- 2 (Narsrim, Iridiel)
Xenthos- 1 (Cwin)

Not voting (3): Wesmin, Sylphas, Xenthos

5 to lynch.

As for FOS counts. Maybe if I don't do them, it'll force you guys to read the game over and over. That, and I'm lazy.

From what I know of Ibby-games all night actions go through, even if the person dies, unless they were blocked in some way by another power.

If a killing role dies, and they made a kill that night, the kill still goes through

She explained me that the last thing to happen are deaths, and all of them go through unless something else (protections, roleblocks, bad luck) goes in the middle.

You're not dead yet, Cwin. There's still a lot more you can contribute, so don't give up until the final vote comes in.

I'm just going to vote: Kiarlea. The FOSes don't seem to have helped, and she is currently hurting us more than helping as far as I can tell. Jumping at the drop of a pin and lashing out even at those who just raise a FOS.

Please, Kiarlea, calm yourself down. Talking is fine, but leaping into action when you've got nothing to go on is NOT going to benefit us in any way. Especially when your sole reasoning is "Push, push, push, I'll shove back sooner or later." If you actually lynch someone for that reason...

As for Narsrim and myself still being alive at this point... hm. It does seem a somewhat valid concern. I don't personally believe that Narsrim is one of the mafia, also a gut feeling like Cwin's. So why aren't we dead? Well, Tsuki is as much of a threat as I am, if not more. I think YoLF was killed by a vigilante- mafia would have left him alive and worked to get him lynched the next day, as votes were gravitating towards him. This means that the mafia felt Revan to be a more important target than Narsrim or myself for some reason.

I doubt our luck will continue, though.

Iridiel deaths are the last thing that go through, but they go through at the same time as other deaths, so if there are 5 killing roles, and no doctors/rb's then all the kills go through even if some of the killers themselves die.

From what I've heard in the past, SK's useally try to lynch mafia during the day and kill townies at night, and the mafia try to do the same in reverse.


sorry for the mass-posts here (I know people have jumped on me in the past for writing post after post in a short time, but I don't know how to use the multiquote feature

That's what I said. With luck I mean those roles with a % chance to fail to kill/scry.

Thanks for the confidence vote there. I guess between that and the fact that I realy can't find suspicion in you, I might as well remove the randomvote Unvote: Xenthos.

Beyond that, though, I can't realy find anything off hand. Kiarlea I can't vote for because I believe she's just genuinely angry. She isn't helping us since everyone is now so focused on her that it's hard to look at anyone else. I don't like voting due to that because we don't have time to go picking off people who aren't being 'perfect townies'. If she's scummy to a person then vote away. If she's just making you frown then definatly DON'T vote for her.

*sigh* Time to go post diving again. Perhaps we realy are back to day 1.

Unvote Cwin
Vote Kiarlea

My reasons for voting Kiarlea have been building for a while:

- I don't like how Kiarlea is able to hide behing being snotty. My FoS like any FoS was basically just to try and dig some info out of her. It meant nothing, but it was (as intended) a conversation starter. Yet again, Kiarlea throws up a smokescreen: "I can say what I want - I'm a rude person so you can't hold me accountable to it."

Why is this necessary? Why should anyone have to make an excuse about their behavior and how they post if they have nothing to hide?

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- I also am don't like how Kiarlea votes. I think she is a dangerous person even if an ally because she seems to vote at people who piss her off or question her ways. For example, during day one Sylphas FoS'ed Kiarlea to quote "spread the votes and FoS's and see if it gets us anywhere." This was Kiarlea's response:



Note that in this quote, Kiarlea basically contradicted herself: She said she was voting at random (which is fine, that's what we do day one) but then it was "stupid" to vote for her at random as Sylphas clearly stated he was doing. This is illogical!

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At a later point, we have Kiarlea switching strategies: She's now disliking me for who I am in game. That's not what I call a well placed strategy. Our IC characters don't have a damn thing to do with this.

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In fairness, I think Kiarlea was being sarcastic when she said this, but again... I don't see any logic.

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That's great and that's how people lose in this game.

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In sum, I'm not 100% sure Kiarlea is scum. I feel she is too defensive, I dislike her "innate smokescreen" tactic, and I REALLY hate the idea that she votes against people who question her. She isn't willing to give in and add to discussions, she just seems willing to explode on the first person to point in her direction and then smooth it over.

I think if we are going to be successful, we need to be careful. We need to be logical. I don't find any of these qualities in Kiarlea. I'm also afraid that if push comes to shove, she'll just get pissed off at someone and see them lynched in the end for no better reason than they FoS'ed her instead of trying to make the most informed vote she can.

One. Yes, it was sarcasm about Wesmin.

Two. I don't care about Narsrim in-game one way or the other I dislike you solely OOCly because you're a prat.

Three. If you'd all prefer, I'll just be quiet and not post at all. I am, after all, a mere vanilla, and not much use except for lynching.

I'm not angry, I'm not mad. I'm mostly amused. I'm not trying to defend myself, in fact, I've mostly given up on responding to points made about me because no matter what I say, someone says, "She's being defensive! Let's lynch her!"

Take this how you wish - you will anyway.

I don't like the way Nars is being so pushy, though. My vote will stay on him, especially for his reaction. Nobody else jumps out as terribly suspicious, though I do have my opinions I'll keep quiet (again, because you'll all claim I'm 'angry' and 'defensive' and 'bitchy' and gods only know what else).

Hmm. I'm debating between Narsrim and Kiarlea. Probably just distracting from everyone else by the argument, but they are the only two that really stand out to me at this point.

Cwin's at 2, Narsrim is at 2, and so is Kiarlea. Hmm. I've already poked at Kiarlea this game, so I'll go with Vote: Narsrim for now. Anything for more info at this point, since it seems we're basically arguing amongst ourselves for random crap.

My problem, Kiarlea, is that you have no reason to be defensive. I'm trying to be rational and logical, I really am. I just cannot understand why you are so aggressive and defensive for seemingly "no reason."

And Sylphas, I'm trying to not be random. I'm attemping to "read into" former posts and make the best decision I can. It may be misplaced or wrong. However, I don't think it constitutes 'random'. I'm not voting for someone because they FoS'ed me or "shoved me too far." I'm voting for someone because I can't understand why they have opted to behave so irrationally. It is really the best I have to go on at this point.

Hrm... Kiarlea, you said your 'just a vanilla' right? Whats your exact role?