Except that, as both skills can be learned by Ebonguard... they *can* be compared. In fact, they *have* to be compared. Every other skill that the Ebonguard has is the same, so the only thing different is Night and Crow- as it is, the only reason someone chooses Crow is for RP, and if they do choose it they're crippled. That, frankly, sucks.

Serenguards can have Moon or Stag
Ebonguards can have Night or Crow.





EDIT: Damnit, even in this thread, Xenthos Ninjas me!!!

What I mean skills should be, if anything compared to other nation's same archtype skills, not skills within their own nation, so if you -need- to compare anything compare Crow Stag, and.. (don't know what mages have, never been in a city)

So you're saying that you shouldn't compare hexes/healing or dreamweaving/runes to try and get a balance between the skills for the archetypes that use them? Or psionics, or anything else?

Well, besides that one skill of crow doesn't work, and that some others are in dire need of a good accepted envoy, Stag seems pretty much better than Crow.

Stag has what, Stagstomp, medicinbag and Swift/Lightningstripes. Stagform isn't bad compared to Crowform too.

Crow has Eyepeck (Which is FAR easier healed than stagstomp, and it doesn't force them to concentrate), it has nest which seems just like a nice RP tool, and it has bonenose and deathmask, not too bad. crowform is...well...one of the worst transskills I've had so far.

Don't forget ancestral curse. And bonenose is also rather useless, due to the tick timer.

Well, Bonenose isn't too lousy for bashing since I don't know anything that breaks more than one bone. And I never had ancestral curse, and it isn't talked a lot about it. It gives some afflictions, right?

Yeah. But even against things that break one bone- especially if they knock you down (abhorrences) with a broken leg, you're stuck on the ground until it ticks. It's such a long tick that most of the time you're better off just typing "restore" and standing, or "apply mending to leg;stand". The latter one is instant- and while it takes a mending application, bonenose takes 2 purple tints and up to 10 seconds waiting.

A Myriad of threads have been made comparing Blademaster to Pureblades and Axelords and Bonecrushers.

Why not compare Stag to Moon and Night to Crow?

Do you really want to compare Totems to Ritual and Necromancy to Sacrimants?

Comparing Stag to Moon and Night to Crow is very appropriate.

Stag also has the ability to move thier totem around, the announce post didn't mention anything about Crow getting the same upgrade.

Hm, I thought it's up to 8 seconds, at least that's what I heard.
And I thought it'd tick instantly the second you get the broken bone, and then works again after these 8 seconds.
Guess I was just lucky the two, three times the lindwyrms actually broke something.


And the spiderweb has such a low chance that it's not too good, too, right? At least that's what I heard, I haven't tested many skills except ...hmm...hoist, bonenose, disease, eyepeck and squall.

In the envoy update I threw together, that's actually what I suggested. Spiderweb's chance was... 16/80ish? I forgot the exact number again, I posted it a ways back. It goes in spurts- it'll stop 2-3 in a row, then it'll ignore the next 10, then stop the next 2-3... I have no idea WHY it does this, however.

Er, you mean the spirit totem we can call? That's different to moving the physical totem around.

I agree, Crow needs some upgrades. I'd say level 2 regen in air -and- trees might be more handy. I hate eyepeck, I don't think its any less useful than stagstomp, but since we have stagtotem, maybe Crow needs another skill that corresponds to it? An evil spirit totem that afflicts, maybe?

If you want, I can steal your eyes in an arena for a while. Long as you get your trigger to start applying right when you lose an eye, that eye *will* regrow before I get balance back. Please note that I have a level 3 balance recovery. And if you don't lose both eyes, you don't go blind, so basically it's 3 (1 in crowform) power completely wasted.

Well, it's basically this:

Stagstomp - Breaking limbs when prone, ranging from 1-2 (?), needing to concentrate after hit by it. Costing 1 power if in Stagform, 3 if not.

Eyepeck - Pulls out an eyeball, the basic of several other, pretty useless RP skills, can be healed in...2, 3 seconds. costing 1 power if in Crowform, 3 if not.

I'd love for the forms to gain us a general cutting/blunt resistance for stagform, for example, while magic/cold resistance for crowform. But that's debateable.

Ooh, and also, if you are in Crowform, you shouldn't be able to be blown out of trees, or blown around in the air. Or that nasty thing if you enter the mountain, slammed into the ground.

Whereas maybe stagform plants you firmer to the ground, so that you are harder moved in the mountains of madness, for example, or harder or shorter stun in Geomancer demesnes.

If I remember what someone told me, Eyepeck has other more sinister purposes also. Especially for dreamweavers.

Any other use of the eyeball involves 10 power and my nest...:/

Oookay. Like what? The eyeball has some RP uses, but nothing amazing, and really nothing that does anything to dreamweavers.

I heard you can use them to spy on people.

Not really, you can watch their movement for 10 carrion if you are in your nest. :/

And I'm not sure how this counts as a combat skill instead of more RP-oriented.