Ok, you missunderstood what I said.

I said that the eyeball can be used by dreamweavers to do some sinister things.

Such as spying on people. You can't spy on people with Stagstomp.

Weather or not that spying ability is usefull or works or any of those things, I know nothing about.

Well, Crow -DOES- have very good RP skills, most of them could be based to create rituals about them, maybe even taking on Crowform could be made into one performed once a year, but...well...let me think what I'd consider combatuseable:

Trickster
Deathmask
Spiderweb
Scavenger

That's basically it.
I actually don't consider Eyepeck as much of a combat skill, it's more RP as well, making your enemies more like Crow and all.

To quote an often used sentence:

Give me spirittotem that heals my afflictions and I'll give you my spying ability.

Actually, it has its uses, but it only works on the plane you are on, so only the primetotems would benefit from that a bit more, and even then, it's more tactical than combat itself.

Why use trickster? Well, as a Blacktalon, maybe. I'd prefer to just envenom and hit them, since trickster requires I sheathe a weapon, wield the food, then use the ability, then redraw my weapon...

Combat skills in Crow I see as occasionally useful for an Ebonguard:
Disease (if it wasn't BUGGED!!!!! Yes, I have submitted bug reports!)
Spiderweb/Deathmask facepaints.
Scavenger.

... yeah. Hm.

Well, not even all Blacktalon, since Ecologist don't need Trickster if they have their fetishes. Though Dreamweaver or rune users could easily find a use for it. :>

And I didn't include Disease since I don't know -what- it actually afflicts, for all I know it could be like...disloyality or something, essentially only usefull against one class or so.

Is Scavenger hoist? or a different skill not yet mentioned in this thread?

Hoist is half of scavenger, yes.

Scavenger is a mixture of Track and hoist, , hoist being well....it seems not bad if it's used by others, but I never get good results from it. :/

The hoist doesn't have a lot of *combat* use, you can't really fight with it. Anything that knocks you down gives you a lovely concussion. You can use it to carry people around though, if they don't figure out how to escape it, or drop them on their head (give them a concussion without levitate). However, mid-air combat just isn't feasible. There are so many things there that will screw you up, and so many things to pull you straight down without any defences (shield doesn't even save you now).

Well, I'd love a way to remove levitation somehow, and I'd have nothing against hoist giving a one or two second stun, alone from a logic standpoint. And if it'd be teamcombat, one could hoist and carry someone in traps, but that would take a lot of planning and so on...
And Airfight -might- be good for Druids, since it's even harder to reach than the trees, but a) I don't know if the demesne still works if I am in the air and B) I can be shot out with a single hexagram, without any chance to escape that.

I'd just like to clarify that Swoop if FREAKING AWESOME compared to gore. Munsia's gore costs 2p and does 400-500-ish damage.

Well, swoop is no instakill, it takes around 200 health more from you, no bleeding and you can simply step down from the trees again.

You need to writhe off of gore, right?

Gore impales if below half health. If below 1/4 health, it kills The problem with gore is the -2P- cost and how druids kill.

Let's assume you have 4,000 health. If a druid can get you anywhere near 1,000 health, chances are you are bleeding heavily. It would be far more in the interest of the druid to continue attacks that bleed (cudgel, desert smudge, etc) than it would be to try and stop and gore. Health potion + sparkleberry is almost 25% of your max life so the window to gore is very low... and if you impale them, you get no real advantage. You cannot attack again until the person writhes so anyone with brains would actually allow themselves to stay impaled while they healed up, heh.

Well, but in the same mind, he could easily cure the damage swoop does and get out of the trees as well before much could happen. Only difference is 2 power, true. But seeing that Stagform gives lower powercosts to better abilities than crowform, and that it gives a general health regeneration (?) it's comparable a bit better.

Swoop: stopped by being in trees (aren't Druids supposed to fight in trees?), has NO chance to impale, has NO chance to kill, even spamming it with shove gets you *nowhere*. It can be outsipped by a freaking wimpy mugwump.

Sounds usefull to warriors though.

How is swoop so awesome?

Wait, wait, who are you calling wimpy, Mothwing?

Edit: And I usually sip in the 550-650ties, without using sparkle, so I really could outsipp that.
Can't wait to test that again when I finally have trans Resilience and Alchemy, should make a nice difference.

Let's be honest: Crow and Stag were not designed with warriors in mind hence the weapon aura for trans Night/Moon and nothing of the sort for Crow/Stag.

However, swoop is better for Blacktalon because it is a fast, easy way to get the target into trees, do some damage, etc. It would work well for going for sap.

If it's timed well with swarm, true.
At the same time, treelife could do the same, without the damage, but it's safer since you don't lose your balance for a time.


Speaking from a Druids view here, that is. I don't know what Xenthos would use swoop for, except maybe trying to give un-levitation using enemies a concussion.

Funny you should say that.

I could have sworn that someone once said that Warriors should only take Stag because Moon was worthless for them.